LeBrun: Guentzel: Pens want prospects over picks - Carolina favorite

[Nakawick]

Edmonton was reportedly out on Guentzel, or so I thought I read

I don’t think the Oilers can afford to sign him, which may take a few teams out that don’t want to pony up that much for what would be a pure rental.

 

[Daeavorn]

Carolina has the better assets than any of those teams and if their management had an ounce of balls he would’ve been a Hurricane by now.

we like to wait until the very last second to try and get the best deal possible.

 

[UrbanImpact]

I’m kind of surprised we (Canucks) are in on him. I understand the Pittsburgh connection but we already got Lindholm. Are we really going to get the two top rental forwards? At what cost? What about helping the defence instead?

I’m guessing if we got Guentzel they’d re-sign him by giving him a blank cheque for 8 years which is annoying. We don’t need more 30 year olds on long term deals.

Why dont we need anymore 30 yrs olds on long term deals?

The Canucks have ONE 30 yr old on a long term deal and he is on pace for 108 pts.

 

[SEALBound]

Carolina has the better assets than any of those teams and if their management had an ounce of balls he would’ve been a Hurricane by now.

Guentzel for Necas with the assumption Jake would like to resign there. Adding Guentzel to the top 6 would make them quite formidable in the East.

we like to wait until the very last second to try and get the best deal possible.

Which only works if it's only two teams talking. With 6, someone will pay the price to get the guy.

 

[UrbanImpact]

I don’t think the Oilers can afford to sign him, which may take a few teams out that don’t want to pony up that much for what would be a pure rental.

I think the Oilers are out because Geuntzel has likely indicated that he wont re-sign there long term.

 

[bleedgreen]

The report was that they wanted 2 prospects over 2 picks, but I think picks would also be included.

Bringing my post from the other Guentzel thread, these are my expectations for a rental Guentzel trade with some of the rumored teams:

-Vegas: Brisson, Korczak and a 2024 2nd
-Carolina: Nadeau, Koivunen and a 2024 2nd
-Vancouver: Hoglander, Raty and a 2025 1st
-Florida: Samoskevich, Sawchyn and a 2025 2nd

Arguably the two best offensive prospects for the Canes? Bold. Also unlikely.

 

[Ulf5]

Hey Jimmy, you hear this?
Don't let them snatch your boy out from under you.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Guentzel for Necas with the assumption Jake would like to resign there. Adding Guentzel to the top 6 would make them quite formidable in the East.

No extension is wanted. Just picks/prospects for a load up year, if they go down that route.

 

[Aqualung]

The Vancouver offer seems to be more valuable than the other offers you wrote

I don't want to move Hoglander. He's trending top six rather than middle six.

 

[Ulf5]

I think the Oilers are out because Geuntzel has likely indicated that he wont re-sign there long term.

Maybe if they think they can't re-sign both the big dogs they take their shot now? Damn the consequences.

 

[Daeavorn]

Which only works if it's only two teams talking. With 6, someone will pay the price to get the guy.

You aren't wrong, it annoys some of us as well.

 

[Sideline]

Hey Jimmy, you hear this?
Don't let them snatch your boy out from under you.

If we see a Guentzel to Vancouver tweet before Friday you know JR went nuts. Here's hoping

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

The Vancouver offer seems to be more valuable than the other offers you wrote

That's what I was getting at...

Also seems way too much value for a guy that seems to be pricing himself for UFA.

 

[thefutures]

Canes makes the most sense

 

[Dread Clawz]

There's no way Florida wins this

 

[PensPlz]

Surely there's a big market for Karlsson as well. Amirite?

Nah. Dubas was the only sucker for that trade and he can't really trade Karlsson to himself.

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

I bet he goes to Vegas

I see what u did thur.

But also yes. They’ll find some weird loophole where they can trade options on Stone’s future production + conditional conditional picks, or something.

“The Knights trade the estate of Robin Lehner’s snake farm to the Penguins..”

 

[Empoleon8771]

Arguably the two best offensive prospects for the Canes? Bold. Also unlikely.

I mean, what do you think a 40 goal, PPG winger with a terrific playoff track record goes for?

This isn't asking for a Lekkerimaki or Jarvis level asset. A B+ prospect, a B prospect and a 2nd for a rental Guentzel is entirely reasonable.

The Vancouver offer seems to be more valuable than the other offers you wrote

I don't think it is. It's entirely aligned with the Vegas deal in my eyes. Hoglander and Brisson are a wash and Korczak is a better prospect than Raty IMO, so the Canucks need to add a 2025 1st but Vegas would be fine with a 2024 2nd.

 

[BHawk21]

hes a perfect fit for Carolina.

This would give them more options in the offseason with the RFAs as well if they can/want to resign.

 

[Snuggs]

Just keep thinking Carolina/Winnipeg. Both teams need to try to win this year, imo.

 

[Empoleon8771]

As a rental, Taylor Hall was traded for Bahl, Merkley, Schnarr, a 2020 1st and a 2021 3rd back in the 2019-2020 season. He was traded mid-way through the year, so I definitely think that benefitted his value, but I also don't know why Guentzel would bring back dramatically less than that.

That Hall return looks roughly the value of a B+ prospect, a B prospect, a 1st and a 3rd. I don't see why Guentzel brings back much less than that. Downgrading the 1st to a 2nd or getting rid of the 3rd seems to be a good way to account for Hall being traded with 40 games left compared to 20 games left for Guentzel.

 

[UrbanImpact]

I mean, what do you think a 40 goal, PPG winger with a terrific playoff track record goes for?

This isn't asking for a Lekkerimaki or Jarvis level asset. A B+ prospect, a B prospect and a 2nd for a rental Guentzel is entirely reasonable.



I don't think it is. It's entirely aligned with the Vegas deal in my eyes. Hoglander and Brisson are a wash and Korczak is a better prospect than Raty IMO, so the Canucks need to add a 2025 1st but Vegas would be fine with a 2024 2nd.

Canucks arent giving 2 first round value ( Hoglander, 2025 1st) for Geuntzel plus one of their top 5 prospects (Raty)

If Hoglander is included in the deal it will be

Hoglander, 3rd and 5th for Guentzel

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Nikishin for Guentzel

 

[Empoleon8771]

Canucks arent giving 2 first round value ( Hoglander, 2025 1st) for Geuntzel plus one of their top 5 prospects (Raty)

If Hoglander is included in the deal it will be

Hoglander, 3rd and 5th for Guentzel

Okay then you won't get him. Good talk.

I like how in a thread stating that there are 6+ teams in on Guentzel, Canucks fans are still in here trying to lowball Penguins fans and acting like they're the only team in on Guentzel.

 

[Connor McConnor]

Just don’t see Edmonton going shopping for a rental winger who is going to want a big payday. I’d bet Vegas is the only realistic West team