hockeykicker
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Wonder if he's a Capital the entire season or if they are able to make a trade in-season to a team whose goalie gets injured.
If he's here the whole season then GMBM really has no plan.
Yeah, zero reason to move him for now unless they can get amazing value. The $850k difference between Grubauer and Copley doesn't come anywhere close to make it worthwhile from a cap savings standpoint. Better to keep Grubauer in the hopes that the market opens up next off-season at least.He's not going to get traded now.
He shouldn't either. Expansion draft ruined the goalie market.
What goalie market is there?
Does it matter? Realistically what are our chances of affording him next season?
Even if at the TDL all you can get is a bag of old jocks you take it or you lose him for nothing.
Next off season we will have 0 leverage in trading his contract, teams will know we cannot afford him/don't want him for another season and we will get half of that bag of jocks.
He is an rfa next year. They aren't losing him for nothing
Right, but we only get a compensatory pick if someone else offers him so him being an RFA is somewhat pointless since we can't afford to resign him next season.
As a team interested why would you offer sheet him? You know WSH cannot afford to resign him and therefore needs a trade, so what would you offer? Crap on crap because again WSH has zero leverage, they cannot afford to keep him, they have to take whatever you offer.
I'm not advocating for trading him ASAP, I think his value will peak during the season near the TDL. I think it's a mistake if you do not move him before the TDL. If you're trying to maximize the return on Grubauer it's very clear that it drops tremendously after the TDL.
Eh, not really. That's really hard to conclude without knowing the market then or what may open up the following off-season. There's also the additional value the Caps receive in keeping him past the trade deadline. I expect him on the team for the entire season unless some miraculous trade option comes about and even then the added roster value coming back is likely not going to outweigh keeping him in terms of near-term value. It's far too early to conclude they won't be able to afford him the year after. He'd likely only see a $500k raise or $1M at most unless gets a load more games due to injury so that doesn't inherently make him too costly. They should look to move him next summer but it's not inconceivable that they just keep him on the roster for the next two years even and he becomes another UFA loss.I think it's a mistake if you do not move him before the TDL. If you're trying to maximize the return on Grubauer it's very clear that it drops tremendously after the TDL.
Next year they have eller, beagle, Carlson and Chorney as ufa and Grubauer and Wilson as rfa. More then enough cap space
More than enough is a bit of a stretch. You let Chorney, Eller, and Beagle walk and you're dealing with roughly $6.5 in excess cap from where you are right now (assuming they use the remainder of their cap this season) to give Carlson and Wilson raises. From there I don't think the top priority of the team is going to be re-upping our back up goalie to a contract that's also due for a raise.
I don't know if I see Grubauer patiently taking another one year cheap deal especially when you see guys like Scott Darling receiving $4.1 million contracts.
Right but your saying they had no chance and they had to trade him. They have the cap space to sign him and besides, he is an rfa again and no arbitration person would give him anywhere close to darling
Isn't the majority of arbitration done through comparing stats to existing contracts in the league? (Honest question)
I think if he goes to arbitration he has a good leg to stand on in terms of his stats and the other contracts handed out to goalies statistically comparable. He might not get Darling money, but he'll get bank.
Again though, the point becomes his value becomes overwhelmingly decreased the moment the TDL passes because are the Capitals going to actually resign him? (Hopefully) No, teams realize we likely don't do this song and dance again so they have some leverage. Ideally the team gives him a healthy amount of starts this season (I'd like to see what 50/50 gets us) and from there we can reassess his value to trade or keep.
Regardless of the vision, this organization needs to give him more time and more legitimate opponents.
Darling also signed as a pending UFA so he's not a comparable player. Grubauer can only be compared to RFA signings and RFA back-ups aren't going to be very lucrative comps unless, say, they signed without a great deal of experience (like Martin Jones) prior to being made a starter.But he is a backup goalie and darling as a starter isn't gonna be compared to Grubauer
But he is a backup goalie and darling as a starter isn't gonna be compared to Grubauer
Also if he goes to arbitration caps can say ok we want a two year deal and then caps get two years instead of one where Grubauer (if he wants to leave) is stuck with an extra year
So for Grubauer it's gonna be take what Washington gives you or go to arbitration and likely lose and Washington gets an extra year of Grubauer