Goals against review thread

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Softy of the night is this Joe Veleno goal on Cayden Primeau



One of several Primeau stinkers on the night. If the rebound wasn’t bad enough, he just stands there like a statue on the next shot that he had plenty of time to recover by.

 

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April 17th, 2024

Penguins vs Islanders: 5 goals against Nedeljkovic, 0 stoppable. 4 goals against Sorokin, 1 stoppable.

Maple Leafs vs Lightning: 6 goals against Jones, 1 stoppable. 4 goals against Tomkins, 1 stoppable.

Blues vs Stars: 1 goal against Binnington, 0 stoppable. 1 goal against Oettinger, 1 stoppable.

Oilers vs Coyotes: 4 goals against Pickard, 1 stoppable. 2 goals against Ingram, 1 stoppable.

Goals scored against goalies: 27. Goals stoppable: 6. Percentage of goals stoppable: 22.22%. Combined save percentages: .897%.

 

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Softy of the night is this Tanner Jeannot goal on Martin Jones

 

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April 19th, 2024

Last one for the 2023-2024 regular season.

Kraken vs Wild: 3 goals against Daccord, 1 stoppable. 3 goals against Fleury, 1 stoppable.

Canucks vs Jets: 3 goals against Demko, 1 stoppable. 2 goals against Brossoit, 0 stoppable.

Sharks vs Flames: 5 goals against Cooley, 3 stoppable. 1 goal against Wolf, 1 stoppable.

Oilers vs Avalanche: 4 goals against Skinner, 1 stoppable. 1 goal against Pickard in relief, 0 stoppable. 1 goal against Annunen, 0 stoppable.

Ducks vs Golden Knights: 1 goal against Dostal, 0 stoppable. 3 goals against Hill, 3 stoppable.

Blackhawks vs Kings: 5 goals against Soderblom, 2 stoppable. 4 goals against Talbot, 1 stoppable.

Goals scored against goalies: 36. Goals stoppable: 14. Percentage of goals stoppable: 40%. Combined save percentages: .882%.

 

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Softy of the night is this Frank Vatrano goal on Adin Hill

 

[My3Sons]

April 19th, 2024

Last one for the 2023-2024 regular season.

Kraken vs Wild: 3 goals against Daccord, 1 stoppable. 3 goals against Fleury, 1 stoppable.

Canucks vs Jets: 3 goals against Demko, 1 stoppable. 2 goals against Brossoit, 0 stoppable.

Sharks vs Flames: 5 goals against Cooley, 3 stoppable. 1 goal against Wolf, 1 stoppable.

Oilers vs Avalanche: 4 goals against Skinner, 1 stoppable. 1 goal against Pickard in relief, 0 stoppable. 1 goal against Annunen, 0 stoppable.

Ducks vs Golden Knights: 1 goal against Dostal, 0 stoppable. 3 goals against Hill, 3 stoppable.

Blackhawks vs Kings: 5 goals against Soderblom, 2 stoppable. 4 goals against Talbot, 1 stoppable.

Goals scored against goalies: 36. Goals stoppable: 14. Percentage of goals stoppable: 40%. Combined save percentages: .882%.

SJ gave up 3 stoppable? Well we both know who wasn’t playing. Why go with the obviously inferior choice for the final game?

 

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SJ gave up 3 stoppable? Well we both know who wasn’t playing. Why go with the obviously inferior choice for the final game?

He was out hurt the last week of the season.

Big shocker.

Cooley is one of the worst goalies I saw this year. 27 year old career minor leaguer that never played in the NHL before the Sharks just got him at the deadline.

He's a local kid from their area. Nice story but that should about do it for him in the league.

 

[My3Sons]

He was out hurt the last week of the season.

Big shocker.

Cooley is one of the worst goalies I saw this year. 27 year old career minor leaguer that never played in the NHL before the Sharks just got him at the deadline.

He's a local kid from their area. Nice story but that should about do it for him in the league.

Blackwood was banged up? Wow. That’s surprising. Guy is usually so dependable and unflappable. He rolls out a mean case/control study on virology too.

 

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April 20th, 2024

islanders vs Hurricanes: 2 goals against Varlamov, 1 stoppable. 1 goal against Andersen, 0 stoppable.

Maple Leafs vs Bruins: 4 goals against Samsonov, 2 stoppable. 1 goal against Swayman, 0 stoppable.

Goals scored against goalies: 8. Goals stoppable: 3. Percentage of goals stoppable: 37.5%. Combined save percentages: .932%.

 

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Softy of the night is this John Beecher goal on Ilya Samsonov



I didn’t even nail him with a stoppable goal on this at first view, but it looks bad when you get a look on replay.

I think the guy somewhat fans on the shot or just didn’t get a whole lot on it. It’s very rare I nail a goalie on this kind of a goal, as it’s usually an empty net and almost completely no chance for most goalies. This one could have easily hit Samsonov.

 

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April 21st, 2024

Lightning vs Panthers: 2 goals against Vasilevskiy, 0 stoppable. 2 goals against Bobrovsky, 0 stoppable.

Capitals vs Rangers: 4 goals against Lindgren, 1 stoppable. 1 goal against Shesterkin, 0 stoppable.

Avalanche vs Jets: 7 goals against Georgiev, 2 stoppable. 6 goals against Hellebuyck, 2 stoppable.

Predators vs Canucks: 3 goals against Saros, 1 stoppable. 2 goals against Demko, 1 stoppable.

Goals scored against goalies: 27. Goals stoppable: 7. Percentage of goals stoppable: 25.92%. Combined save percentages: .871%.

 

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Softy of the night is this Elias Lindholm goal on Juuse Saros

 

[My3Sons]

Softy of the night is this Elias Lindholm goal on Juuse Saros

I'm not coughing up Mercer for that sieve.

 

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I'm not coughing up Mercer for that sieve.

I would for now, I'm not sure I would for 7-8 years though.

And we still haven't even fired the goalie coach, so I'm not sure I want anyone of value in here.

 

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April 22nd, 2024

Maple Leafs vs Bruins: 2 goals against Samsonov, 0 stoppable. 3 goals against Ullmark, 2 stoppable.

Islanders vs Hurricanes: 4 goals against Varlamov, 2 stoppable. 3 goals against Andersen, 1 stoppable.

Golden Knights vs Stars: 3 goals against Thompson, 1 stoppable. 4 goals against Oettinger, 1 stoppable.

Kings vs Oilers: 6 goals against Talbot, 1 stoppable. 4 goals against Skinner, 1 stoppable.

Goals scored against goalies: 29. Goals stoppable: 9. Percentage of goals stoppable: 31.03%. Combined save percentages: .879%.

 

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Softy of the night is this Mason Marchment goal on Logan Thompson

 

[My3Sons]

Softy of the night is this Mason Marchment goal on Logan Thompson

I guess Oettinger still counts as a young goalie and he will improve as he gains more experience. After being highly touted he's settled in as fairly inconsistent for now.

 

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April 23rd, 2024

Capitals vs Rangers: 4 goals against Lindgren, 1 stoppable. 3 goals against Shesterkin, 0 stoppable.

Lightning vs Panthers: 3 goals against Vasilevskiy, 0 stoppable. 2 goals against Bobrovsky, 0 stoppable.

Avalanche vs Jets: 2 goals against Georgiev, 0 stoppable. 4 goals against Hellebuyck, 2 stoppable.

Predators vs Canucks: 1 goal against Saros, 0 stoppable. 3 goals against DeSmith, 0 stoppable.

Goals scored against goalies: 22. Goals stoppable: 3. Percentage of goals stoppable: 13.64%. Combined save percentages: .894%.

 

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Softy of the night is this Zach Parise goal on Connor Hellebuyck



I forgot to post all of this earlier.

 

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April 24th, 2024

Bruins vs Maple Leafs: 2 goals against Swayman, 0 stoppable. 3 goals against Samsonov, 2 stoppable.

Golden Knights vs Stars: 1 goal against Thompson, 0 stoppable. 2 goals against Oettinger, 1 stoppable.

Kings vs Oilers: 4 goals against Talbot, 2 stoppable. 5 goals against Skinner, 2 stoppable.

Goals scored against goalies: 17. Goals stoppable: 7. Percentage of goals stoppable: 41.18%. Combined save percentages: .898%.

 

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Softy of the night is this Noah Hanifin goal on Jake Oettinger

 

[My3Sons]

Softy of the night is this Noah Hanifin goal on Jake Oettinger

He's not all that good this season for a great young goalie.

 

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He's not all that good this season for a great young goalie.

I don’t think he’s ever been particularly better than just good or solid. Outside of a 7 game playoff series where his team didn’t even win.

Since moneypuck gives expected save percentages and it's less typing than all of the GSAx numbers, his expected save percentage this year was .904%, actual save percentage .905%.

22-23: Expected save percentage of .915%, actual save percentage .919%.

21-22: expected save percentage of .913%, Actual save percentage of .914%.

20-21: Expected save percentage of .915%. Actual save percentage: of .911%.

His playoffs in 2022 superhuman, but his playoffs last year in close to three times as many games played were HORRIBLE.

For evolving hockey he was at +1.46 GSAx this year, which is right around where he was on moneypuck's model.

22-23 evolving hockey really likes him that year. +21.65 GSAx. Way better than he was on moneypuck's model for that year.

21-22: +0.51 GSAx, which is nearly what he was on moneypuck's model that year.

20-21: -2.14 GSAx, which is about similar enough to what he was on moneypuck's model that year.

In conclusion, I don't think Oettinger was EVER a particularly good goalie. He's probably an above average goalie, but not a really good and defiinitely not a great one. He's still only 25 and he's shown to be able to play a lot of games and be a real workhorse when healthy. But Scott Wedgewood has similar numbers to him the last few years, albeit in a much smaller number of games played. The cremains of Braden Holtby (which have been MIA ever since) had similar number to him that year they played together, despite very poor numbers for Holtby the several years before this on the Capitals and Canucks.

Goalies have been posting better numbers under Bowness since he became a head coach again and the same can be said about DeBoer.

And one other thing to also consider. Goalies have been overachieving in Dallas for a while. Bishop did when he was missing body parts, His actual save percentage wasn't much higher than his expected save percentage the year they were crying about him being snubbed for the Vezina. Khudobin, who was a mediocre goalie also had that run to the finals there when he was 34 years old and posted far better numbers there than anywhere else, until he had bad hips after that year. They also have a really good goalie coach, for what it's worth. Must be nice.

I think I gave a pretty good seminar on why Oettinger is overrated.

 

[My3Sons]

I don’t think he’s ever been particularly better than just good or solid. Outside of a 7 game playoff series where his team didn’t even win.

Since moneypuck gives expected save percentages and it's less typing than all of the GSAx numbers, his expected save percentage this year was .904%, actual save percentage .905%.

22-23: Expected save percentage of .915%, actual save percentage .919%.

21-22: expected save percentage of .913%, Actual save percentage of .914%.

20-21: Expected save percentage of .915%. Actual save percentage: of .911%.

His playoffs in 2022 superhuman, but his playoffs last year in close to three times as many games played were HORRIBLE.

For evolving hockey he was at +1.46 GSAx this year, which is right around where he was on moneypuck's model.

22-23 evolving hockey really likes him that year. +21.65 GSAx. Way better than he was on moneypuck's model for that year.

21-22: +0.51 GSAx, which is nearly what he was on moneypuck's model that year.

20-21: -2.14 GSAx, which is about similar enough to what he was on moneypuck's model that year.

In conclusion, I don't think Oettinger was EVER a particularly good goalie. He's probably an above average goalie, but not a really good and defiinitely not a great one. He's still only 25 and he's shown to be able to play a lot of games and be a real workhorse when healthy. But Scott Wedgewood has similar numbers to him the last few years, albeit in a much smaller number of games played. The cremains of Braden Holtby (which have been MIA ever since) had similar number to him that year they played together, despite very poor numbers for Holtby the several years before this on the Capitals and Canucks.

Goalies have been posting better numbers under Bowness since he became a head coach again and the same can be said about DeBoer.

And one other thing to also consider. Goalies have been overachieving in Dallas for a while. Bishop did when he was missing body parts, His actual save percentage wasn't much higher than his expected save percentage the year they were crying about him being snubbed for the Vezina. Khudobin, who was a mediocre goalie also had that run to the finals there when he was 34 years old and posted far better numbers there than anywhere else, until he had bad hips after that year. They also have a really good goalie coach, for what it's worth. Must be nice.

I think I gave a pretty good seminar on why Oettinger is overrated.

So he's more or less what's expected in the regular season and has been living off one playoff series. He can still improve but I agree he gets overrated.

 

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So he's more or less what's expected in the regular season and has been living off one playoff series. He can still improve but I agree he gets overrated.

If he was dropped on a team like Buffalo? Where the expected save percentages are considerably below league average? I could see him putting up similar numbers to what Levi did this past year. Probably even worse.

Levi had really good numbers on both moneypuck and evolving hockey, despite an .899% save percentage. His expected save percentage was .892% on moneypuck, while Luukkonen's for whatever reason was .907%.