Gampbler
Registered User
I posted this in another section yesterday but thought it might warrant it's own thread if there is any interest.
I've been playing around with the theory of developing a GM Rankings based on objective data that can be measured. Surely the minds here can come together and rationally measure where Benning fits among the other GMs in the NHL. My original concept was to quickly compare him to the other seven GMs hired before the 2014-2015 season so there is an even playing field. Those GM's are Brad Treveling, Ron Francis, Joe Sakic, Ron Hextall, Jim Rutherford and Brian Maclellan. Using trades, transactions, signings, buy outs, getting value for UFA, etc. can be the data used. A simple measurable point system could be put in place. As an example, I've quickly come up with perhaps a starting point but would most certainly welcome any and all help to fine tune:
A GM gets points/penalty for acquiring/trading/not re-signing the following:
top 3 forward/top 2 d-man 10 points
Starting NHL goalie 8 points
top 6 forward/top 4 d-man 7 points
NHL forward/d-man that plays more than 25gp for team 4 points
Backup NHL goalie 4 points
AHL forward/d-man/goalie 1-2 points
1st round pick from 1-15 6 points
1st round pick from 16-30 4 points
2nd round pick 3 points
3rd to 4th round pick 2 points
5th to 7th round pick 1 point
Penalties or bonuses could be for the following:
-3 points for a player bought out that the GM signed
3 points for a 1st round pick acquired for a pending UFA
2 points for a 2nd round pick acquired for a pending UFA
1 point for 3rd round pick acquired for a pending UFA
Please feel free to adjust/add/delete any ideas but please refrain from adding any points/penalties into the model that are based on subjective measurements such as giving a penalty for not trading a guy with a no trade clause or measuring playing ability of two players that have not played in the NHL (as examples). I realize there a few other intangibles like cap management, drafting, overspending on contracts, etc..but we just need to add them somehow. Thanks!
I took the time to go through the seven GM's that started in 2014 to generate some "scorecards" for each in order based on the above parameters since these guys took over:
Tim Murray Additions Points Subtractions
TRADING 80 -5 85
SIGNINGS 26 23 3
DRAFTING 66 66 0
BONUS/PENALTIES 8 8 0
TOTAL 180 92 88
Brad Treveling Additions Points Subtractions
TRADING 49 6 43
SIGNINGS 31 31 0
DRAFTING 49 49 0
BONUS/PENALTIES 8 5 3
TOTAL 137 91 46
Ron Francis Additions Points Subtractions
TRADING 47 4 43
SIGNINGS 12 12 0
DRAFTING 62 62 0
BONUS/PENALTIES 16 13 3
TOTAL 137 91 46
Joe Sakic Additions Points Subtractions
TRADING 50 5 45
SIGNINGS 35 35 0
DRAFTING 45 45 0
BONUS/PENALTIES 0 -6 6
TOTAL 130 79 51
Ron Hextall Additions Points Subtractions
TRADING 30 3 27
SIGNINGS 20 20 0
DRAFTING 52 52 0
BONUS/PENALTIES 0 -2 2
TOTAL 102 73 29
Jim Benning Additions Points Subtractions
TRADING 65 1 64
SIGNINGS 18 18 0
DRAFTING 52 52 0
BONUS/PENALTIES 0 0 0
TOTAL 135 71 64
Brian Maclellan Additions Points Subtractions
TRADING 35 1 34
SIGNINGS 23 23 0
DRAFTING 35 35 0
BONUS/PENALTIES 0 -2 2
TOTAL 93 57 36
Jim Rutherford Additions Points Subtractions
TRADING 71 6 65
SIGNINGS 16 16 0
DRAFTING 27 27 0
BONUS/PENALTIES 0 0 0
TOTAL 114 49 65
The irony isn't lost on me that Rutherford ranks 7th out of 7 after just winning the cup.
I've been playing around with the theory of developing a GM Rankings based on objective data that can be measured. Surely the minds here can come together and rationally measure where Benning fits among the other GMs in the NHL. My original concept was to quickly compare him to the other seven GMs hired before the 2014-2015 season so there is an even playing field. Those GM's are Brad Treveling, Ron Francis, Joe Sakic, Ron Hextall, Jim Rutherford and Brian Maclellan. Using trades, transactions, signings, buy outs, getting value for UFA, etc. can be the data used. A simple measurable point system could be put in place. As an example, I've quickly come up with perhaps a starting point but would most certainly welcome any and all help to fine tune:
A GM gets points/penalty for acquiring/trading/not re-signing the following:
top 3 forward/top 2 d-man 10 points
Starting NHL goalie 8 points
top 6 forward/top 4 d-man 7 points
NHL forward/d-man that plays more than 25gp for team 4 points
Backup NHL goalie 4 points
AHL forward/d-man/goalie 1-2 points
1st round pick from 1-15 6 points
1st round pick from 16-30 4 points
2nd round pick 3 points
3rd to 4th round pick 2 points
5th to 7th round pick 1 point
Penalties or bonuses could be for the following:
-3 points for a player bought out that the GM signed
3 points for a 1st round pick acquired for a pending UFA
2 points for a 2nd round pick acquired for a pending UFA
1 point for 3rd round pick acquired for a pending UFA
Please feel free to adjust/add/delete any ideas but please refrain from adding any points/penalties into the model that are based on subjective measurements such as giving a penalty for not trading a guy with a no trade clause or measuring playing ability of two players that have not played in the NHL (as examples). I realize there a few other intangibles like cap management, drafting, overspending on contracts, etc..but we just need to add them somehow. Thanks!
I took the time to go through the seven GM's that started in 2014 to generate some "scorecards" for each in order based on the above parameters since these guys took over:
Tim Murray Additions Points Subtractions
TRADING 80 -5 85
SIGNINGS 26 23 3
DRAFTING 66 66 0
BONUS/PENALTIES 8 8 0
TOTAL 180 92 88
Brad Treveling Additions Points Subtractions
TRADING 49 6 43
SIGNINGS 31 31 0
DRAFTING 49 49 0
BONUS/PENALTIES 8 5 3
TOTAL 137 91 46
Ron Francis Additions Points Subtractions
TRADING 47 4 43
SIGNINGS 12 12 0
DRAFTING 62 62 0
BONUS/PENALTIES 16 13 3
TOTAL 137 91 46
Joe Sakic Additions Points Subtractions
TRADING 50 5 45
SIGNINGS 35 35 0
DRAFTING 45 45 0
BONUS/PENALTIES 0 -6 6
TOTAL 130 79 51
Ron Hextall Additions Points Subtractions
TRADING 30 3 27
SIGNINGS 20 20 0
DRAFTING 52 52 0
BONUS/PENALTIES 0 -2 2
TOTAL 102 73 29
Jim Benning Additions Points Subtractions
TRADING 65 1 64
SIGNINGS 18 18 0
DRAFTING 52 52 0
BONUS/PENALTIES 0 0 0
TOTAL 135 71 64
Brian Maclellan Additions Points Subtractions
TRADING 35 1 34
SIGNINGS 23 23 0
DRAFTING 35 35 0
BONUS/PENALTIES 0 -2 2
TOTAL 93 57 36
Jim Rutherford Additions Points Subtractions
TRADING 71 6 65
SIGNINGS 16 16 0
DRAFTING 27 27 0
BONUS/PENALTIES 0 0 0
TOTAL 114 49 65
The irony isn't lost on me that Rutherford ranks 7th out of 7 after just winning the cup.