Get Draisaitl and McDavid some help

[bambamcam4ever]

McDavid has literally just come onto the ice and had to just his ass to even get to where he was. This wasn’t a “cherry picking” situation.

Care to explain how Draisaitl/McDavid we’re supposed to have helped Bouchard just giving them the puck on his turnover goal?

So many ridiculous takes, always from the same two fanbases.

If you are unable to assign blame to McDavid on the winning goal you don't have credibility to analyze the sport.

 

[jackjohnson]

Can they really not find a way to make 2 good lines with

Hyman McDavid Draisaitl RNH & Kane

That has enough talent. We are looking at 3 guys who have scored over 100 points. 3 players who have scored over 50 goals.

They should be able to run out 2 1st lines and play them 40 to 44 minutes a night.

That's 20 to 16 minutes of the 3rd/4th line and let's just remind everyone that they scored last night to provide depth scoring.

Hyman is a fraud, got all his points riding shotgun with McDavid and Drai on the PP, slipping in easy tap in for his 50 goals. Most of their points were due to their powerplay and padding stats against weak teams. Otherwise there is only 2 elite players in Mcbaby and Drai and the 3 others are good to average. The rest of that roster is mediocre when you have trash players like Derek Ryan, grandpa Perry, no goal Brown playing on your roster. Even Players that were decent in regular season are busts now like Foegele. Depth goes way deeper than 5 players. Stars have 20 players that can score. Edmonton has 5.

 

[Three On Zero]

Can they really not find a way to make 2 good lines with

Hyman McDavid Draisaitl RNH & Kane

That has enough talent. We are looking at 3 guys who have scored over 100 points. 3 players who have scored over 50 goals.

They should be able to run out 2 1st lines and play them 40 to 44 minutes a night.

That's 20 to 16 minutes of the 3rd/4th line and let's just remind everyone that they scored last night to provide depth scoring.

The issue is Hyman, Kane and RNH are more passengers than line drivers, they need to play with people who will create the chances for them. Kane and RNH are also better suited for 3rd line duties

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Or maybe the Oilers dont have that depth. Look at Canucks, they can put 2 number 1 centers in Lindholm and Pettersson together and still have Miller and Boeser on another line and impact forward ls like Joshua and Garland on 3rd line playing with a good 3rd center in Bluger and still have the depth on 4th line to scratch 4 million dollar Mikheyev, Lafferty etc. Plus they still can deploy the likes of Podkolzin, Hoglander, PDG, Aman etc. The oilers have who? Connor Brown? 50 year old Perry? Derek Ryan??

People keep referencing the Pens 2016 team as an example of "depth". That team's top line was a rookie Sheary, Crosby and Hornqvist. The second line was Malkin, an aging Kunitz and a rookie Rust. That allowed them to run Kessel, Bonino, Hagelin on the 3rd line.

If the Pens did what the Oilers do and put Crosby, Malkin and Kessel all on one line, their depth isn't any better than what the Oilers have remaining with McDryman all on one line.

If people are going to crow about the Oilers duo of McDavid and Draisaitl being so much better than Crosby/Malkin, then surely they can still be productive with guys like Foegele, Kane, Hyman, Perry, etc. on their flanks so that they can spread their talent to 3 or 4 lines. Because that's what Crosby/Malkin did, and that's why they could have Kessel on the third line running his own line.

 

[JAK]

The issue is Hyman, Kane and RNH are more passengers than line drivers, they need to play with people who will create the chances for them. Kane and RNH are also better suited for 3rd line duties

Kane and RNH are more than suitable talents for top 6 with either McDavid or Draisaitl.

 

[Three On Zero]

Kane and RNH are more than suitable talents for top 6 with either McDavid or Draisaitl.

Yes because of who they are with, not because of the talent they possess

 

[jackjohnson]

People keep referencing the Pens 2016 team as an example of "depth". That team's top line was a rookie Sheary, Crosby and Hornqvist. The second line was Malkin, an aging Kunitz and a rookie Rust. That allowed them to run Kessel, Bonino, Hagelin on the 3rd line.

If the Pens did what the Oilers do and put Crosby, Malkin and Kessel all on one line, their depth isn't any better than what the Oilers have remaining with McDryman all on one line.

If people are going to crow about the Oilers duo of McDavid and Draisaitl being so much better than Crosby/Malkin, then surely they can still be productive with guys like Foegele, Kane, Hyman, Perry, etc. on their flanks so that they can spread their talent to 3 or 4 lines. Because that's what Crosby/Malkin did, and that's why they could have Kessel on the third line running his own line.

Crosby and Malkin arr playoff warriors and they had Letang, they had a goalie. McDavid looks like a house mouse compared to Crosby in playoffs. I would take Crosby over McDavid when ut comes to playoffs and international hockey.

 

[JAK]

Crosby and Malkin arr playoff warriors and they had Letang, they had a goalie. McDavid looks like a house mouse compared to Crosby in playoffs. I would take Crosby over McDavid when ut comes to playoffs and international hockey.

Fleury sv% the first cup they won was 0.908

 

[jackjohnson]

Fleury sv% the first cup they won was 0.908

Thats is leaps and bounds better than skin boy and his .760 save percentage

 

[JAK]

Thats is leaps and bounds better than skin boy and his .760 save percentage

Incorrect. Skinner is 0.877 right now.

 

[bdub24]

McDavid actually scoring would be helpful

 

[jackjohnson]

Incorrect. Skinner is 0.877 right now.

Overall?

 

[JAK]

Overall?

This playoffs.... Yah.... It's publically available data.....

 

[jackjohnson]

This playoffs.... Yah.... It's publically available data.....

I meant in this series. Playing against the 1-3-1 LA kings skews the data and Oilers always play them every year lol

 

[JAK]

I meant in this series. Playing against the 1-3-1 LA kings skews the data and Oilers always play them every year lol

You can't just isolate data like that when we are talking about playoffs as a whole.

Else Silvos was .778 in game 1.....

 

[Fiji Water]

Malkin had perhaps the best Conn Smythe performance by a forward since Lemieux in 09 with 36 pts in 24 games with a fourth liner (Talbot) and a middle six fwd (Fedotenko) as his linemates. He also played lights out defense. Crosby had an almost equally brilliant playoffs scoring 30+ pts with a 38 yr old Guerin and Kunitz as his linemates.

McDavid and Drai are playing with better talent on their wings than what Sid or Geno had during any of their 3 cup runs

 

[JPeeper]

Malkin had perhaps the best Conn Smythe performance by a forward since Lemieux in 09 with 36 pts in 24 games with a fourth liner (Talbot) and a middle six fwd (Fedotenko) as his linemates. He also played lights out defense. Crosby had an almost equally brilliant playoffs scoring 30+ pts with a 38 yr old Guerin and Kunitz as his linemates.

McDavid and Drai are playing with better talent on their wings than what Sid or Geno had during any of their 3 cup runs

No depth bro, but let's ignore the fact Hyman got 50+ and RNH was a 100 point player last year, Bouchard is a Norris finalist.

Meanwhile Sid is carrying Kunitz to Olympic Goal medals.

 

[JAK]

No depth bro, but let's ignore the fact Hyman got 50+ and RNH was a 100 point player last year, Bouchard is a Norris finalist.

Meanwhile Sid is carrying Kunitz to Olympic Goal medals.

Crosby makes whoever plays with him a better player.

McDavid does the same, as long as they are already an all star.

 

[Maria Sharapova]

No, I'm saying you can only blame bad defense so many times. Starting goalies are expected to steal and win games for their team. Not consistently lose them. Skinner did it once this playoff against the Kings when he came up with a 1-0 win. That's it.

Pro goalies getting paid millions to start for a team are expected to occasionally stop high danger chances.

If you do nothing to change the bad defence why would you expect that you can shift the blame?

 

[57special]

How much help do they need? Kane and RNH were #1 oa, Nurse #7 oa. Most teams can only dream of the draft positions they have had over the years.

 

[Fataldogg]

If you do nothing to change the bad defence why would you expect that you can shift the blame?

Sometimes teams play bad defense. Why is it expected that Skinner can't bail his team out? I don't get it. GOOD starting goaltenders can steal games your team has no business winning.

 

[Frank Drebin]

People keep referencing the Pens 2016 team as an example of "depth". That team's top line was a rookie Sheary, Crosby and Hornqvist. The second line was Malkin, an aging Kunitz and a rookie Rust. That allowed them to run Kessel, Bonino, Hagelin on the 3rd line.

If the Pens did what the Oilers do and put Crosby, Malkin and Kessel all on one line, their depth isn't any better than what the Oilers have remaining with McDryman all on one line.

If people are going to crow about the Oilers duo of McDavid and Draisaitl being so much better than Crosby/Malkin, then surely they can still be productive with guys like Foegele, Kane, Hyman, Perry, etc. on their flanks so that they can spread their talent to 3 or 4 lines. Because that's what Crosby/Malkin did, and that's why they could have Kessel on the third line running his own line.

Penguins got MVP goaltending both cup years

Murray 15-6 .923 2.08

MAF 9-6 .924 2.56
Murray 7-3 .937 1.70

Last year

Skinner
5-6 .883/ 3.68

This year
Skinner
8-5 .877 3.22
Pickard
1-1 .915 2.21

When Crosby/Malkin got goaltending like that they couldn't get out of the first round.

But I know, maybe if mcdrai backchecked better skinner would have stopped more shots.

 

[Dog]

I would upgrade the defense it's probably the only way they could win a cup. Ceci and Nurse been terrible for them in the playoffs.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Defense, goaltending and depth were the issues when Holland took over and they remain issues.
Depth is somewhat better but not much of a push from any young players and Ekholm was a great pick up but you can’t win a Cup with Nurse and Ceci on your second pairing.
Goaltending may have gotten even worse.
A good GM may be able to plug those holes in a couple of years but the Oilers generally go the Old Boys Club.

 

[PensPlz]

In Crosby's back to back, Conn Smythe winning playoff runs he was playing less than 20 minutes a night in the regular season. He did not win any regular season individual awards. The lines were balanced and were rolled accordingly. No one was playing more than was needed.

Compare that to McDavid's 22 or 23 minute a night regular season, where he's chasing individual awards and setting records, and then getting bounced in the first couple rounds. That's like playing 4 whole extra games. It's been consistent over these last years. How many blow out regular season games is McDavid out there still trying to run up the score? Should be on the bench if he wants a cup.

Priorities.

And I've said it for a long time: When McDavid loses his legs and doesn't have his speed - he's done. He's not going to be a player that has a long career into his 30s. Because he's already taking nights off in these playoffs. And I won't be shocked if he has a big game in game 6 because he didn't show up in game 5 (just 2 sog) and he has some rests, it fits the pattern.... But if this goes to a game 7 then I'd bet the farm on McGhost showing up.