GDT: G56: Wild @ Jets - 7:00pm CT

[AKL]

The obvious solution is to put Hartman on the second line with Rossi

 

[MrRuin]

That’s really a good suggestion. Rossi needs more direct, shoot first hard working players with a little more skill than your typical bottom 6 guy. It’s why he works on a 3rd or 4th line. Hartmann and maybe even Foligno in a 2nd line role with Rossi in the middle digging up the pucks might be really good.

 

[f7ben]

Rossi needs skill players who can keep up in the second line. Hartman could fill in there but not ideally. Put Zucc on the 3rd line with Foligno and Hartman and find some actual skilled forwards for the second line. Yurov is likely one of them. We need another

 

[AKL]

Rossi needs skill players who can keep up in the second line. Hartman could fill in there but not ideally. Put Zucc on the 3rd line with Foligno and Hartman and find some actual skilled forwards for the second line. Yurov is likely one of them. We need another

Doesn't help this year, or next. Yurov isn't coming over until 2025-26, so it is what it is. Maybe Khusnutdinov can be one of those wingers next season?

In the interim, Hartman seems like the best option we have for Rossi and the second line, unless Hynes breaks up the top line at some point.

 

[Sweetnut]

I like that he shuffles the lines, something that Deano never did unless injuries.
In the case of Rossi, it did work, right? 3 goals in the last 2 games, so why complain about it? I don't get it.

 

[AKL]

I like that he shuffles the lines, something that Deano never did unless injuries.
In the case of Rossi, it did work, right? 3 goals in the last 2 games, so why complain about it? I don't get it.

The 2 yesterday were when he got caught on the ice with the top 6. Kaprizov and Boldy were on the PP with them, his second was assisted by Kaprizov. So I wouldn't say moving him to the fourth line was the reason he scored twice.

 

[f7ben]

Doesn't help this year, or next. Yurov isn't coming over until 2025-26, so it is what it is. Maybe Khusnutdinov can be one of those wingers next season?

In the interim, Hartman seems like the best option we have for Rossi and the second line, unless Hynes breaks up the top line at some point.

Agreed , this is on Guerin. He has committed to a poor couple bottom 6 level guys and has no other option but to try and save face and keep playing them. He should guaranteed Yurov an nhl spot and lived with whatever he was. It would be impossible for Yurov to be worse than marjo or Zucc

 

[Wonderful Tacos]

Who knows but my guess is its more about getting Hartman and the 3rd line going than anything Rossi is or isnt doing.

Havent looked at anything but remember Lapanta saying the second line was analytically the best at one point last night. I'm sure Hartman hasn't been happy being saddled with the chronically underperforming Duhaime and Guadreau either.

I can understand Dewar with gaudreau and duhaime as an attempt to get something out of the worst line on the team. Since Dewar's been with the team he's pretty much always elevated the play of the grinders he's been with a bit. Its not amazing but the 4th line has usually been good no matter who's been put with him. And, you know what? Connor Dewar does deserve to be rewarded with some more icetime and a bigger role 9if only nominally). He's RFA and I'm sure him/his agent have been in Hynes ear about it. He had an interview on the Wild's podcast awhile back and it seemed to me he does have a bit of a chip on his shoulder about it. Like Evason's big mantra in preseason was "elevate your role" and dewar wouldve been one of the most receptive on the team to that. So here's some more responsibility Connor, try to make Freddy and Duhaime into a line that accomplishes something other than giving up high danger chances. That being said it sure didnt work last night and I have very little hope its going to work.

Then with Rossi - are we sure he got "caught" out there with Boldy or Kaprizov? Maybe this is the plan that his short shifts with the 4th line blend over into time with the 1st line? The thing to realize with this team is that Joel Erikkson Ek plays on both the 1st PP and the 1st PK AND now the 1st line in 5v5. It makes sense bc he's a goddamn beast but that's a lot of high stress/ high leverage ice time. If this is the plan it seems to be working for Rossi - he scored with Lucchini vs Canucks and scored with the 1st line yeterday.

 

[f7ben]

Never mind how awful Freddy has been

 

[TaLoN]

Rossi needs skill players who can keep up in the second line. Hartman could fill in there but not ideally. Put Zucc on the 3rd line with Foligno and Hartman and find some actual skilled forwards for the second line. Yurov is likely one of them. We need another

"Ideally"... we don't have anyone that fits "ideally" on the roster that's not already in the top 6.
To find someone that would be an ideal linemate who is not currently in our top 6, you have to wait until future seasons at this point.

 

[Luceni]

I like that he shuffles the lines, something that Deano never did unless injuries.
In the case of Rossi, it did work, right? 3 goals in the last 2 games, so why complain about it? I don't get it.

I couldn't disagree more. Rossi is a freaking Rookie and not a 7 year veteran in the league. You can't play him with scrubs one shift and the next shift with the first line. A Rookie needs constancy and stability and not new linemates every other shift. He needs to develope a connection with one of the top 6 guys and this won't happen if i plays two completly different roles every other shift (top 6 role/ grinding role)

I can understand that the HC is trying to get the other players going but at what cost? The handling of Rossi has been everything but great in the past. They've been doing everything you shouldn't do with a Rookie. And he is still doing ok but its not good for his developement imo. Besides his TOI doesn't show that they're kinda double shift Rossi. 11 minutes a night is not enough for the arguably best 5vs5 scorer on the team.

I don't understand why Zucc is playing top minutes at even strength when he is floating around on the defensive end and turns the puck over most of the time. At this point of his carreer, Zucc is a PP specialist who shouldn't play big minutes at even stregth.

I also don't get it why other players, who has been a dissapointment so far this season don't get benched or a game in the pressbox. Rossi gets a demotion for being the second best rookie forward in the league and one of the best 5 vs 5 scores on the team. They should do everything they can to help him succeeding but thats not whats happening.

At this point I'm not sure who is worse developing Rookies - Evason or Hynes? You can for sure tell Guerin has no clue in that department neither.

 

[f7ben]

I couldn't disagree more. Rossi is a freaking Rookie and not a 7 year veteran in the league. You can't play him with scrubs one shift and the next shift with the first line. A Rookie needs constancy and stability and not new linemates every other shift. He needs to develope a connection with one of the top 6 guys and this won't happen if i plays two completly different roles every other shift (top 6 role/ grinding role)

I can understand that the HC is trying to get the other players going but at what cost? The handling of Rossi has been everything but great in the past. They've been doing everything you shouldn't do with a Rookie. And he is still doing ok but its not good for his developement imo. Besides his TOI doesn't show that they're kinda double shift Rossi. 11 minutes a night is not enough for the arguably best 5vs5 scorer on the team.

I don't understand why Zucc is playing top minutes at even strength when he is floating around on the defensive end and turns the puck over most of the time. At this point of his carreer, Zucc is a PP specialist who shouldn't play big minutes at even stregth.

I also don't get it why other players, who has been a dissapointment so far this season don't get benched or a game in the pressbox. Rossi gets a demotion for being the second best rookie forward in the league and one of the best 5 vs 5 scores on the team. They should do everything they can to help him succeeding but thats not whats happening.

At this point I'm not sure who is worse developing Rookies - Evason or Hynes? You can for sure tell Guerin has no clue in that department neither.

Agree on every single word. The fact that Webster doesn’t tells me you nailed it

 

[63firebird]

I couldn't disagree more. Rossi is a freaking Rookie and not a 7 year veteran in the league. You can't play him with scrubs one shift and the next shift with the first line. A Rookie needs constancy and stability and not new linemates every other shift. He needs to develope a connection with one of the top 6 guys and this won't happen if i plays two completly different roles every other shift (top 6 role/ grinding role)

I can understand that the HC is trying to get the other players going but at what cost? The handling of Rossi has been everything but great in the past. They've been doing everything you shouldn't do with a Rookie. And he is still doing ok but its not good for his developement imo. Besides his TOI doesn't show that they're kinda double shift Rossi. 11 minutes a night is not enough for the arguably best 5vs5 scorer on the team.

I don't understand why Zucc is playing top minutes at even strength when he is floating around on the defensive end and turns the puck over most of the time. At this point of his carreer, Zucc is a PP specialist who shouldn't play big minutes at even stregth.

I also don't get it why other players, who has been a dissapointment so far this season don't get benched or a game in the pressbox. Rossi gets a demotion for being the second best rookie forward in the league and one of the best 5 vs 5 scores on the team. They should do everything they can to help him succeeding but thats not whats happening.

At this point I'm not sure who is worse developing Rookies - Evason or Hynes? You can for sure tell Guerin has no clue in that department neither.

Yes. Development should be the goal. Competitive but really looking forward and seeing what younger affordable players in the pipeline can bring.

 

[63firebird]

Although it would be nice to get Faber going, I’d prefer these fellas to chip in once in awhile.

Freddy
Johansson
Hartman
Foligno (when he comes back)
Duhaime

might be a little much to ask…

Freddy-not much there. Had a couple cool shootout goals.
Johansson-uninspired. Great skater-no finish.
Hartman-When he’s not Rink Sheriff he can make plays ..but no speed to push play north.
Foligno- is he a top 6 player?
Duhaime-good energy but zero production.
Faber is the future and should be developed and allowed to shine. His ceiling is yet to be seen.

 

[MNRube]

We need one more Top 6 scorer

Boldy-JEE-Kap
Top 6-Rossi-XXX
XXX-XXX-Zucc
XXX-XXX-XXX

Zucc is a PP wizard but he’s not competing hard enough 5v5. Plus we could use a 3rd scoring line and he could provide that.