Free Agency and Trade Thread: Off-season alive and well ... for some!

[Rielly4]

I dont understand why everyone is pinning this loss on Gardiner? Yeah he was on for a lot of there goals...But were they really his fault? Maybe the second goal he had a shit breakout pass and then a turnover which eventually lead to a slot shot that should have been bozaks assignment. Yeah the 6th goal he got caught behind the net but where was the Centre or any forward covering the slot area? If there is 3 guys behind the net thats the forwards fault not Gardiners. The 5th goal was totally on Andersen Gardiner played it fine. The 4th goal was also totally on Andersen.

I dont think he had a great game with the breakouts but i mostly blame Zaitsev the guy is a giveaway machine. I just dont understand why we are linching Gardiner and keeping Zaitsev around when Gardiner is clearly the far superior player and had a much better series.

 

[Warden of the North]

Well the coach really likes him though.

But I think he'll likely price himself out.

Hes does, but we also saw him choose Johnsson over him in the playoffs.

Honestly, if Babs is getting back one of his gud pros, its Polak.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Bracco + 1st + st louis 4th for Tanev

Nylander for Hamilton

Need to lose the Martin and Zaitsev deals in those cases.

 

[Lethalsniper007]

Here are the guys who didn’t show up. Jvr , bozak, Mathews, Nylander, Gardner... how are we supposed to win ?

 

[The Podium]

Here are the guys who didn’t show up. Jvr , bozak, Mathews, Nylander, Gardner... how are we supposed to win ?

Move on, both Matthews and Nylander showed up last year

 

[Hockeyholic]

JVR is too soft. Did he even play tonight? Yikes

 

[Lethalsniper007]

Lol yea right no way don’t give me that shit. Listen you got to be the best to play against the best I don’t care if your 20 or 30 years old. Washington really bunch of Russian players of course he played better.

 

[Menzinger]

If Lou is still GM I can maybe see Polak getting another one year deal, but other than that I expect all UFAs to walk July 1st.

 

[17 Clark]

Here are the guys who didn’t show up. Jvr , bozak, Mathews, Nylander, Gardner... how are we supposed to win ?

Put the blame Wear it belongs I
couldn’t put that any better myself you’re stars don’t show up you don’t win and it’s the same as every year blah blah blah blah blah

 

[Rare Jewel]

Hes does, but we also saw him choose Johnsson over him in the playoffs.

Honestly, if Babs is getting back one of his gud pros, its Polak.

Yeah maybe.

It'll be interesting to see who he keep in that regard.

 

[desperateblue]

Bozak jvr leo are gone for sure
Their agents won’t receive a single phone call from the leafs.
Hopefully they take this opportunity to convince Mathews marner and nylander to lower extensions to spend some money on the back end.
Marner is the only one that could legit warrant a huge payday after this series.
Perhaps the taste of defeat will motivate them.

How sweet would doughty and Reilly look on the pp?
I’d sign doughty over Tavares

 

[supermann_98]

I dont understand why everyone is pinning this loss on Gardiner? Yeah he was on for a lot of there goals...But were they really his fault? Maybe the second goal he had a **** breakout pass and then a turnover which eventually lead to a slot shot that should have been bozaks assignment. Yeah the 6th goal he got caught behind the net but where was the Centre or any forward covering the slot area? If there is 3 guys behind the net thats the forwards fault not Gardiners. The 5th goal was totally on Andersen Gardiner played it fine. The 4th goal was also totally on Andersen.

I dont think he had a great game with the breakouts but i mostly blame Zaitsev the guy is a giveaway machine. I just dont understand why we are linching Gardiner and keeping Zaitsev around when Gardiner is clearly the far superior player and had a much better series.

You had to copy and paste this trash post from the Gardiner thread to here? He was complete and utter trash tonight. I hope to never see Simple Jake in the Leaf jersey ever again. #TradeGardiner

 

[Stephen]

Gardiner was the soft spot the Bruins kept exploiting tonight.

 

[dosages]

Leafs need to start getting a cycling game, Matthews can't really do that when he has someone like hyman on his line unless hyman has a unreal summer where he becomes a heavy possession beast and develops consistant hands.

 

[Jozay]

I highly doubt someone will take Zaitsev without the Leafs adding a something really nice to it. Keep him, see how he does next year, and if he's still bad, look to dump him to seattle. He'll have less term so the sweetener probably wont be as significant.

Ideally, Zaitsev is penciled in on your bottom pairing. They NEED to find a steady top 4 rhd that can make the first pass and play on the pk.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I highly doubt someone will take Zaitsev without the Leafs adding a something really nice to it. Keep him, see how he does next year, and if he's still bad, look to dump him to seattle. He'll have less term so the sweetener probably wont be as significant.

Ideally, Zaitsev is penciled in on your bottom pairing. They NEED to find a steady top 4 rhd that can make the first pass and play on the pk.

If Zaitsev is 3rd pairing we'd need 2 top 4 RHD then.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I dont understand why everyone is pinning this loss on Gardiner? Yeah he was on for a lot of there goals...But were they really his fault? Maybe the second goal he had a **** breakout pass and then a turnover which eventually lead to a slot shot that should have been bozaks assignment. Yeah the 6th goal he got caught behind the net but where was the Centre or any forward covering the slot area? If there is 3 guys behind the net thats the forwards fault not Gardiners. The 5th goal was totally on Andersen Gardiner played it fine. The 4th goal was also totally on Andersen.

I dont think he had a great game with the breakouts but i mostly blame Zaitsev the guy is a giveaway machine. I just dont understand why we are linching Gardiner and keeping Zaitsev around when Gardiner is clearly the far superior player and had a much better series.

The thing about Gardiner is not just this one game. It's his entire body of work. It's been his past 5+ years. He's extremely talented, but he's not reliable nor really that smart, and we need more reliable defensemen on the back end. We need more reliable players in general. We have a better, long term Gardiner in Rielly. And Dermott is looking like he could entering that territory in the next few years as well. Zaitsev may not have had the best year, but he handles a lot of tough minutes and even when he struggled, he was still able to find ways to be effective. We have nobody who can come even close to replacing even what he did in his off year. It's not on Zaitsev... It's on Gardiner.

It's time the Leafs consider moving on from him, because even if the Leafs find someone much better than Hainsey to put beside Rielly, Gardiner is still going to have the same problems he's always had and that's going to be a problem going forward... If he even lasts past next year. He may not even be here anyways.

 

[Gabriel426]

Zaitsev is fine as a top 4, he just needs a more steady partner.

 

[Jozay]

If Zaitsev is 3rd pairing we'd need 2 top 4 RHD then.

They could probably get away with Hainsey being on the 2nd pair RH side.

Ideally, you would get two top 4 rhd, but its super unrealistic. I mean, they've struggled to even get one for the last couple years.

 

[Gaelman]

You mean the 20 year old kid in his second season who didn't play like prime Steve Yzerman? So sorry to hear he disappointed you so much.

Get outta here with that nonsense

Hey Marner is 20 and at least he showed up. Matthews has a long way to go to get to the generational level

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I highly doubt someone will take Zaitsev without the Leafs adding a something really nice to it. Keep him, see how he does next year, and if he's still bad, look to dump him to seattle. He'll have less term so the sweetener probably wont be as significant.

Ideally, Zaitsev is penciled in on your bottom pairing. They NEED to find a steady top 4 rhd that can make the first pass and play on the pk.

That's fine, because the Leafs won't be moving him anyways. Zaitsev is not going to be penciled in on the bottom pairing because he's capable of playing top 4 minutes. He's a 22+ minute player, and once he gets a more reliable partner than Gardiner, he probably will be loved by fans.

 

[Lethalsniper007]

Hey Marner is 20 and at least he showed up. Matthews has a long way to go to get to the generational level

Marner for captain the guy is 100% true Canadian player pure heart.

 

[Gaelman]

Bozak jvr leo are gone for sure
Their agents won’t receive a single phone call from the leafs.
Hopefully they take this opportunity to convince Mathews marner and nylander to lower extensions to spend some money on the back end.
Marner is the only one that could legit warrant a huge payday after this series.
Perhaps the taste of defeat will motivate them.

How sweet would doughty and Reilly look on the pp?
I’d sign doughty over Tavares

Doughty has 1 more year before he's a UFA.

 

[LeafSteel]

If anything positive is to come from this, it is that it will be beyond question that our defence isn’t good enough and that we need to upgrade to have any success.

Hainsey is overextended, Gardiner can’t be relied upon, zaitsev needs to get his act back together, and neither Polak or Carrick can get us where we need to go.

Would love to see Holl and/or Liljegren take a spot but we can’t afford to sit back and wait on it. We need at least 1 true top 4 RHD for next season.

Let’s see what the Leafs brass can get done.

It’s going to be a long offseason.

 

[desperateblue]

Doughty has 1 more year before he's a UFA.

Well there goes that dream