Waived: Folin on waivers (Cleared)

[26Mats]

the problem is, it never changes. It's always the same rhetoric with Bergevin, he has no plan and just try to get cheap/hustle players who can "bounce back".

He needs to get a plan in place and stick to it for the future.

Ok, but that doesn't mean these three recent moves weren't good:

Trading Rielly for a 5th (sorry Pierre, you're a sucker again for doing this deal)
Trading a 4th for Scandella (steal)
Signing Kovy to a 2way deal (absolutely no risk - unless you're upset he's taking Weal's ice time on the PP and in the top 9)

 

[Whitesnake]

Proof it was a no-risk move...

Strange that it's no risk just because it's the same round....there is 30 picks from start to finish...even in the 5th round it might make a difference. And then, yes, the risk was still there. That you woudn't be able to find a clown to do the same deal. Thank god Dorion exist. And you give him all the minutes that you don't give a youngster to develop.

Anyway, in no planet should we use that example to prove how great a GM we have. When nothing gives nothing, you don't improve. Only in Montreal where no progression is seen like a plus....

 

[tazsub3]

acquire Mike Reilly cost the Habs a 5th round pick
sold Mike Reilly for a 5th round pick

impressive...

we are not debating this, read what was writen, he said resigning him was wrong, i said the opposite. Again the failing of this team is not from such moves. It is much bigger and much more serious. But seems many like to criticise the fact we signed a player who is 8th on dmen chart, and forget that we have millions and millions in unused cap space.

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

Ok, but that doesn't mean these three recent moves weren't good:

Trading Rielly for a 5th (sorry Pierre, you're a sucker again for doing this deal)
Trading a 4th for Scandella (steal)
Signing Kovy to a 2way deal (absolutely no risk - unless you're upset he's taking Weal's ice time on the PP and in the top 9)

im not saying they were bad, but it's always the same history with him, cheap player that never works out in the final or that we ship back. Always the no risk move because we have the "cap", f***ing use the cap for a game changer then.

At a certain point you gotta change your plan if you see your team is stuck in mediocrity since your arrival

 

[ECWHSWI]

we are not debating this, read what was writen, he said resigning him was wrong, i said the opposite. Again the failing of this team is not from such moves. It is much bigger and much more serious. But seems many like to criticise the fact we signed a player who is 8th on dmen chart, and forget that we have millions and millions in unused cap space.

people did not forget...

the Mike Reilly stuff is a waste of time wether those M$ are used or not.

 

[26Mats]

Strange that it's no risk just because it's the same round....there is 30 picks from start to finish...even in the 5th round it might make a difference. And then, yes, the risk was still there. That you woudn't be able to find a clown to do the same deal. Thank god Dorion exist. And you give him all the minutes that you don't give a youngster to develop.

Anyway, in no planet should we use that example to prove how great a GM we have. When nothing gives nothing, you don't improve. Only in Montreal where no progression is seen like a plus....

No one's using that example of what a great GM he is.

Trading Reilly for a 5th is a good move. I want Bergevin gone. But all this whining about the 3 recent good moves is irritating.

The real reason people are whining is because they want Bergevin gone so they're upset he made 3 good moves.

 

[26Mats]

im not saying they were bad, but it's always the same history with him, cheap player that never works out in the final or that we ship back. Always the no risk move because we have the "cap", ****ing use the cap for a game changer then.

At a certain point you gotta change your plan if you see your team is stuck in mediocrity since your arrival

I'm with you that he should have used the cap better, among other things.

I just think all three of these moves are good moves. I'll be the first one to complain when he doesn't make a good move. I've wanted Perron, Duclair, Derrick Brassard, Nyquist, Dzingle, Skinner, etc... over the last two summers and have harped on it. Should have used that cap space for more offensive depth - among other things, we would have more depth for these periods of a lot of injuries...

 

[ECWHSWI]

No one's using that example of what a great GM he is.

Trading Reilly for a 5th is a good move. I want Bergevin gone. But all this whining about the 3 recent good moves is irritating.

The real reason people are whining is because they want Bergevin gone so they're upset he made 3 good moves.

that's bull and you know it... people see it's the same type of moves he's been doing since he's Habs GM... sign players for cheap, said players are barely used and are not helping the team when they're on the ice, they leave one way or another... rince/repeat

but hey! we got it! THIS time it will work out! THIS time they're good moves!

 

[26Mats]

that's bull and you know it... people see it's the same type of moves he's been doing since he's Habs GM... sign players for cheap, said players are barely used and are not helping the team when they're on the ice, they leave one way or another... rince/repeat

but hey! we got it! THIS time it will work out! THIS time they're good moves!

So Danault and a 2nd for Fleishmann (who he picked up on a PTO) and Weise (who got for Diaz, who he got for free) were not good moves??

Byron off of waivers was not a good move??

Redmond for Dl0 for a 4th was not a good move??

Chiarot for free was not a good move??

Armia, a 4th and a 7th for an expiring contract and Simon Bourque was not a good move??


Obviously every move he's made is bad, so therefore:

Scan-freaking-della for a 4th is a horrible move
trading Reilly for a 5th is a horrible move
signing Kovalchuk to a 2-way deal that pays him 70k that doesn't count against the cap if he doesn't work out - to attempt to fill the void left by 4 injured forwards - is a horrible move.

Yes, THIS TIME and all the moves before were all HORRIBLE and I know it! I don't even have to look at the moves! All I have to do is start whining!

 

[ECWHSWI]

So Danault and a 2nd for Fleishmann (who he picked up on a PTO) and Weise (who got for Diaz, who he got for free) were not good moves??

Byron off of waivers was not a good move??

Redmond for Dl0 for a 4th was not a good move??

Chiarot for free was not a good move??

Armia, a 4th and a 7th for an expiring contract and Simon Bourque was not a good move??


Obviously every move he's made is bad, so therefore:

Scan-freaking-della for a 4th is a horrible move
trading Reilly for a 5th is a horrible move
signing Kovalchuk to a 2-way deal that pays him 70k that doesn't count against the cap if he doesn't work out - to attempt to fill the void left by 4 injured forwards - is a horrible move.

Yes, THIS TIME and all the moves before were all HORRIBLE and I know it! I don't even have to look at the moves! All I have to do is start whining!

Redmond accomplished nothing for the Habs even in the AHL, so it's Irrelevant + DLO for a 4th, said DLO was sold for a... 4th (my bad, misread, UFA Redmond) wonder how many good moves like that it takes for the Habs to be a good team ?????

I'm surprised you did not include King, Ott, Martinsen, Murray, Rychel, Carknell, Baun, Lowe, Nesterov, Racine, Matteau, Bartley, Friberg, Thomas, Lessio, Allen, Czarnik, etc...

nope you picked the very few who worked out so yeah! by definition those three moves are good moves obviously...

 

[ECWHSWI]

Obviously every move he's made is bad, so therefore:

Scan-freaking-della for a 4th is a horrible move
trading Reilly for a 5th is a horrible move
signing Kovalchuk to a 2-way deal that pays him 70k that doesn't count against the cap if he doesn't work out - to attempt to fill the void left by 4 injured forwards - is a horrible move.

Yes, THIS TIME and all the moves before were all HORRIBLE and I know it! I don't even have to look at the moves! All I have to do is start whining!

yup, exactly what I said :

the Mike Reilly stuff is a waste of time wether those M$ are used or not.

it's right there, post 55.

 

[26Mats]

Redmond accomplished nothing for the Habs even in the AHL, so it's Irrelevant + DLO for a 4th, said DLO was sold for a... 4th (my bad, misread, UFA Redmond) wonder how many good moves like that it takes for the Habs to be a good team ?????

I'm surprised you did not include King, Ott, Martinsen, Murray, Rychel, Carknell, Baun, Lowe, Nesterov, Racine, Matteau, Bartley, Friberg, Thomas, Lessio, Allen, Czarnik, etc...

nope you picked the very few who worked out so yeah! by definition those three moves are good moves obviously...

I don't like Bergevin. But he's done well in the bargain bin in the past. If you add up all we gave up with all we got back, he comes out way ahead.

FYI - Byran Allen was a great move - he was traded for Rene Bourque who was equally useless - only Rene Bourque had an extra year on his deal, while Allen's expired that very year.

 

[ECWHSWI]

I don't like Bergevin. But he's done well in the bargain bin in the past. If you add up all we gave up with all we got back, he comes out way ahead.

FYI - Byran Allen was a great move - he was traded for Rene Bourque who was equally useless - only Rene Bourque had an extra year on his deal, while Allen's expired that very year.

he comes ahead, but what about the team ?? I mean, since he is way ahead, the team is way better, right ??

what happened with the salary saved ???

 

[Adam Michaels]

Before Habs signed Kovalchuk, they were apparently looking at acquiring Sven Baertshi from Vancouver.

Now that Folin cleared and Sven cleared a few weeks ago, maybe Habs can make a trade with the Canucks: Folin for Baertshi. Both could be assigned to the AHL teams immediately.

Laval needs help up front. I don't know exactly what Utica's situation is but maybe they need help on D?

Baertshi has this year and next year at $3.37M, whereas Folin is a UFA this year. And at $800K, Canucks save on the cap and can bury 100% of his cap in the minors.

 

[26Mats]

he comes ahead, but what about the team ?? I mean, since he is way ahead, the team is way better, right ??

what happened with the salary saved ???

I get that people (myself included) want him gone. But when he makes a good move, he makes a good move.

I think the 3 moves he made this week are good moves.

There are tons of moves I have wanted him to make that he has failed to make. But that doesn't mean I want him to stop coming out ahead in the bargain bin.

 

[26Mats]

Before Habs signed Kovalchuk, they were apparently looking at acquiring Sven Baertshi from Vancouver.

Now that Folin cleared and Sven cleared a few weeks ago, maybe Habs can make a trade with the Canucks: Folin for Baertshi. Both could be assigned to the AHL teams immediately.

Laval needs help up front. I don't know exactly what Utica's situation is but maybe they need help on D?

Baertshi has this year and next year at $3.37M, whereas Folin is a UFA this year. And at $800K, Canucks save on the cap and can bury 100% of his cap in the minors.

imo Folin is a good depth RD in case of injury, who counts nothing against the cap while in Laval.

I would rather take Sven for free than give up Folin. But Sven has another year on his deal - we don't need 3.37 more in dead weight cap hits. If only we had someone else with a cap hit next year going the other way. Alzner would be ideal, but he has 2 more years. We'd have to add a lot to make that swap work.

 

[Habs]

Redmond accomplished nothing for the Habs even in the AHL, so it's Irrelevant + DLO for a 4th, said DLO was sold for a... 4th (my bad, misread, UFA Redmond) wonder how many good moves like that it takes for the Habs to be a good team ?????

I'm surprised you did not include King, Ott, Martinsen, Murray, Rychel, Carknell, Baun, Lowe, Nesterov, Racine, Matteau, Bartley, Friberg, Thomas, Lessio, Allen, Czarnik, etc...

nope you picked the very few who worked out so yeah! by definition those three moves are good moves obviously...

Jesus, what a pile of dog shit, and you forgot to include Semin, Hemsky and Schlemballs. Good lord.

 

[ECWHSWI]

Jesus, what a pile of dog ****, and you forgot to include Semin, Hemsky and Schlemballs. Good lord.

And we both forgot the great Alzheimer! Haha

 

[ECWHSWI]

I get that people (myself included) want him gone. But when he makes a good move, he makes a good move.

I think the 3 moves he made this week are good moves.

There are tons of moves I have wanted him to make that he has failed to make. But that doesn't mean I want him to stop coming out ahead in the bargain bin.

Wtf are you talking about...

 

[Milhouse40]

Actually, you proved a point that its a good move, as not signing him was nothing in return, while a 5th, is a 5 pct chance to get a 30 goal scorer.
So it is simple 5pct is better then 0 pct.

Again, the trade MB does are actually good, the problem he is a disaster in everything else.

5% chance of getting an NHLer is more likely, and more likely a bad one….you have 0.5% chance of getting a 30 goal scorer.
And like i said, the problem is playing him to begin with which hurt the team this season.
And my original post is about signing all 3 of them, a single one would not have bother me, put all together is like bad judgment especially he gave more than 1 year to Reilly and Kulak so for him, he really thought they could play on that team.

 

[26Mats]

Wtf are you talking about...

???

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

This summer Bergevin signed Folin and now he's on waivers.
"Good signing, No risk, just 800K, easy to bury"

He also signed Reilly for 2 years and now he's been traded.
"Good signing, No risk, easy to bury"

He also signed Kulak for 3 years and now he's a 7th D the coach doesn't want to use.
"Good signing, didn't cost too much, can't hurt the team and could be a 4D"

I was one of the very few that was mad as hell about those signing….yeah, no risk but without risk, you get nothing good either.
Yeah, they didn't hurt the team……..except by playing.

Another 4.15M thrown into the garbage (instead of getting one better 4M d-men)...but hey, they were all good signing this summer.
Bergevin got us good depth for cheap they said.

Remember that if there's another round of those useless signing next summer like Bergevin always does.
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I feel like you are struggling with the concept of "no risk". There was no risk and no harm was done......to whine that MB wasted cap space is nothing short of asinine.....we have cap space out the ying yang.

You seem to be conveniently leaving out the fact that Chiarot was an outstanding signing as well........but let's just focus on the depth D that were competing for the final roster spots lol

 

[Milhouse40]

I feel like you are struggling with the concept of "no risk". There was no risk and no harm was done......to whine that MB wasted cap space is nothing short of asinine.....we have cap space out the ying yang.

You seem to be conveniently leaving out the fact that Chiarot was an outstanding signing as well........but let's just focus on the depth D that were competing for the final roster spots lol

No risk….except for missing the PO and throw a full season in the garbage. That always was the risk of those signing.
And the reasons i left Chiarot out is because he had no business being included with the players that hurt that team and money being thrown into the garbage.

The post wasn't against Bergevin's entire body of work but against those useless signing he's doing every year….like Streit, Hemsky, Redmond, Davidson..he made it every year.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

No risk….except for missing the PO and throw a full season in the garbage. That always was the risk of those signing.
And the reasons i left Chiarot out is because he had no business being included with the players that hurt that team and money being thrown into the garbage.

The post wasn't against Bergevin's entire body of work but against those useless signing he's doing every year….like Streit, Hemsky, Redmond, Davidson..he made it every year.

To take issue with a GM signing low end depth players to compete for the last few roster spots at absolutely no risk to the organization is ridiculous. These players do not hurt the team and their combined salaries are irrelevant due to the ton of cap space the organization has had in recent years.

Bergevin has proven to be a very proactive GM who would be universally applauded as being elite if he ran a team that free agents would actually agree to play for. Fans here whine about him not signing top UFA's but he has absolutely no control over that as they just don't want to play in Montreal. If MB was the GM of Vegas every poster on here would be referring to him as the french genius who somehow got away from us.........I guess we will just have to settle for allowing the Christian Folin's of the world to sink the organization from the press box with their tiny salary lol.

 

[ECWHSWI]

To take issue with a GM signing low end depth players to compete for the last few roster spots at absolutely no risk to the organization is ridiculous. These players do not hurt the team and their combined salaries are irrelevant due to the ton of cap space the organization has had in recent years.

Bergevin has proven to be a very proactive GM who would be universally applauded as being elite if he ran a team that free agents would actually agree to play for. Fans here whine about him not signing top UFA's but he has absolutely no control over that as they just don't want to play in Montreal. If MB was the GM of Vegas every poster on here would be referring to him as the french genius who somehow got away from us.........I guess we will just have to settle for allowing the Christian Folin's of the world to sink the organization from the press box with their tiny salary lol.

he can't even build a team good enough for the PO, but he's elite...