Prospect Info: Flames prospect rankings: #3

[Anglesmith]

1. Matthew Tkachuk (73.81%)
2. Jon Gillies (54.00%)

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[Johnny GODreau]

Mark Jankowski

 

[Anglesmith]

It's Janko time.

 

[tfong]

Rasmus for me. I think he has the potential be a top 2 dman.

 

[InfinityIggy]

Jankowski is okay I guess.

 

[Rangediddy]

Janko fo' sho

 

[Bounces R Way]

Shinkaruk for me. Love his game and I think he's got more Top 6 upside than Janko.

 

[SKRusty]

Players and their impact in the next 3 years IMO:

1. Jankowski
2. Kylington
3. Gilles
4. Pribyl
5. Tkachuk
6. Poirier
7. Shinkaruk
8. Wotherspoon (Most likely to be Hamilton's partner)
9. Andersson
10. E2

 

[AgeOfBennett]

Players and their impact in the next 3 years IMO:

1. Jankowski
2. Kylington
3. Gilles
4. Pribyl
5. Tkachuk
6. Poirier
7. Shinkaruk
8. Wotherspoon (Most likely to be Hamilton's partner)
9. Andersson
10. E2

Pribyl above Tkachuk??

 

[SKRusty]

Pribyl above Tkachuk??

For the next three years yes. Tkachuk needs to fill out and improve his skating and get up to pace in the NHL. Long term Tkachuk is way more valuable.

PS. I think Tkachuk will be back in Junior next season.

 

[Calgareee]

Tough one between Jankowski and Kylington for me... Went with Jankowski just because he's more of sure thing at this point.

 

[Janks]

Janks Janks Janks!

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

Kyller

 

[MonyontheMoney]

Jankowski quite easily for me

 

[BigRangy]

Kylington for the third time. I can't decide between shink and janko though.

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

Kylington for the third time. I can't decide between shink and janko though.

What are their absolute ceilings?

5'10" offensive 35G/30A winger
6'4" two-way 25G/45A centre

What are their absolute floors?

Career AHLer / SHLer / KHLer
Shut-down specialist 3rd line NHL centre

Seems pretty easy to me.

 

[Anglesmith]

I said it last year, and I'll say it again... I don't understand the Kylington hype. What do we know that NHL scouts don't? Through two rounds, NHL organizations didn't want him, and we know he's got some pretty massive holes in his defensive game. With 12 points in 47 games last year, it's not like we've got some rare-talent offensive scoring machine, either.

 

[Lunatik]

If this was a hot dog eating contest I'd go Andersson.

 

[Calculon]

Bizarre authoritarian way of looking at it. Through almost three rounds, no wanted Gillies either. Shinkaruk was given up by an organization desperate for offensive talent. And so on.

Read Burke, Treliving's and Flames' scouts opinions on Kylington. They really do nothing but rave about his ability. And Kylington held his own as an 18 year old in the AHL; that's not exactly a common feat.

 

[Yung Rotini]

Shink for me. Then Janks, then Kylington.

 

[Lunatik]

I said it last year, and I'll say it again... I don't understand the Kylington hype. What do we know that NHL scouts don't? Through two rounds, NHL organizations didn't want him, and we know he's got some pretty massive holes in his defensive game. With 12 points in 47 games last year, it's not like we've got some rare-talent offensive scoring machine, either.

In defense of Kylington he grew a great deal through last year and the holes aren't nearly as bad as they were made out to be. It's also prudent to remember that he was probably (I'm 99% sure he was) the youngest player in the AHL and one of just a small handful of players under the age of 20. His skating and hockey sense are off the charts, the biggest questions around him were coachabilty and attitude; neither of which were a problem. 12 points from an 18 year old defenseman in the AHL is nothing to sneeze at.

 

[Anglesmith]

Bizarre authoritarian way of looking at it. Through almost three rounds, no wanted Gillies either. Shinkaruk was given up by an organization desperate for offensive talent. And so on.

Read Burke, Treliving's and Flames' scouts opinions on Kylington. They really do nothing but rave about his ability. And Kylington held his own as an 18 year old in the AHL; that's not exactly a common feat.

He did hold his own in the AHL, yeah, but I think I'd have to question whether he stuck there as a result of management's promise to have him play there. Did he just survive the season, or was he a difference maker?

I'm not saying to use draft position as the be-all and end-all, but it's a starting point for large sample-size professional opinions on a player on his draft day. After that point, a player can raise or lower his stock through his play (like Gillies has since being drafted). Management talking up a prospect is pretty common.

I'm just not sure that Kylington's one year has really changed much. His holes are still holes. In dev camp, you still had people noticing him get out of position and run around in his own end. But really, my comments stem from the fact that the hype was equally over-the-top last season, and has carried over now to this season.

We'll see, though. I do hope he's the next Karlsson.

 

[Lunatik]

He did hold his own in the AHL, yeah, but I think I'd have to question whether he stuck there as a result of management's promise to have him play there. Did he just survive the season, or was he a difference maker?

I'm not saying to use draft position as the be-all and end-all, but it's a starting point for large sample-size professional opinions on a player on his draft day. After that point, a player can raise or lower his stock through his play (like Gillies has since being drafted). Management talking up a prospect is pretty common.

I'm just not sure that Kylington's one year has really changed much. His holes are still holes. In dev camp, you still had people noticing him get out of position and run around in his own end. But really, my comments stem from the fact that the hype was equally over-the-top last season, and has carried over now to this season.

We'll see, though. I do hope he's the next Karlsson.

Was he a difference maker? At times he was actually. Not all the time or consistently, but his play as an 18 year old was pretty admirable. He made his share of mistakes for sure, but he grew defensively and did everything asked of him.

Development camp is a joke for evaluating players. They had 1 scrimmage, you can't tell anything from that.

 

[Yung Rotini]

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[SKRusty]

He did hold his own in the AHL, yeah, but I think I'd have to question whether he stuck there as a result of management's promise to have him play there. Did he just survive the season, or was he a difference maker?

I'm not saying to use draft position as the be-all and end-all, but it's a starting point for large sample-size professional opinions on a player on his draft day. After that point, a player can raise or lower his stock through his play (like Gillies has since being drafted). Management talking up a prospect is pretty common.

I'm just not sure that Kylington's one year has really changed much. His holes are still holes. In dev camp, you still had people noticing him get out of position and run around in his own end. But really, my comments stem from the fact that the hype was equally over-the-top last season, and has carried over now to this season.

We'll see, though. I do hope he's the next Karlsson.

Kylington does not need to be a top pairing defenseman. Until he is fully developed he will likely be a third pairing guy used on the PP. The raw skills the kid has are impressive and that skating ability can not be taught. That's how Scott Neidermayer started out.

The real challenge in developing Kylington will be to keep him engaged in improving his defensive side of the game. Karlsson is a great example as he was a huge defensive liability for the first couple years.