fedorov_jr
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not sure who will be a better NHL defenseman in terms of offense, or overall contributions to his team.... what are their top end potentials? #1 dman? #2 dman? pp specialist? share your thoughts
davemess said:Whitney is definetly more of an offensive defencemen but still has reasonable all around skills. Where he projects is tricker to call, he could easily be a #2 or a #3 depending on who the Penguins choose to play with Orpik who is the clear #1 guy in waiting.
76 games, 6 goals, 34 assists, 40 points in his first AHL season.
He's a safe bet to be a solid no. 2 or 3 specialty guy who can play very well on special teams.
Levitate said:what do you mean by specialty guy?
I personally think Tjutin is extremely talented...based on watching him play. But he isn't the kind of talented where he can display amazing offensive skills and still play good defense at the same time (then again, most defensemen can't do that) so he usually settles for the middle road with good defense and pretty good offense. Then sometimes he'll turn on the offense and rack up points for a couple of games until the coaches reign him back in. If he wanted to play offense all the time I bet he could put up some real good numbers, but that's ultimately just not his game.
I'd look at Tjutin as a top pairing guy but not a franchise guy unless he *really* put it all together...I think he might have that potential but the possibility of him doing that is very remote. and before someone jumps down my throat, i'll point out the words *very* and *remote*
Whitney certainly sounds like a nice prospect though
borro said:Whitney has more potential than Tjutin
Levitate said:i just wanted to voice my opinion that tjutin is actually a very talented player even though he doesn't put up the flashy points all the time like other guys might. sometimes i feel people think he's not that talented but IMO he is.
Jacobv2 said:To say he won't be a #1 in the NHL, is that even playing him down at all?
Rabid Ranger said:Whitney has more potential than most. The question is whether he lives up to it. Personally, I think he'll be another Kevin Hatcher. A guy that puts up good numbers, tantalizes you from time to time, but leaves you wanting for more.
Jacobv2 said:I disagree and feel he has #2 upside. Less proven than Tjutin, more upside.
Jacobv2 said:Maybe it's the homer in me, but I would question Tjutin's drive before I question Whitney's.
Never showed interest in the AHL game. I guess none of that matters though as long as you put up in the NHL.
I've seen whitney a decent amount of times this year and i think he's really starting to care more. I hope this fight this past night against babchuk is an indictator of him starting to show more passion for the game.Reveille! said:He was amazing in the NHL and knows he is way too good for the AHL. There was no reason for him to be playing there which is why he left for Russia, where he has been playing solid against NHLers. I could care less about his AHL play as long as he brings it in the NHL, which he definately did.
He played great in Juniors also. Gave it his all. The first year in the AHL he did the same, until he moved up and showed he belonged there. That's the thing with him -- he'd play amazing at the lower level until he could move up, and then if he ever went back to it, he'd just play like he didn't care since everyone knew he was too good for it already. Just a little weird trait about him, I guess. But he's been only fantastic at the NHL level. And that's all that matters to me in the long run.
Whitney never showed much motivation in college at all. Never seemed to really care. That scared me a lot and still scared me that he never really gave it his all at the lower level.
Rabid Ranger said:Whitney has more potential than most. The question is whether he lives up to it. Personally, I think he'll be another Kevin Hatcher. A guy that puts up good numbers, tantalizes you from time to time, but leaves you wanting for more.
MS said:If Whitney is another Kevin Hatcher, Pittsburgh would take that in a minute. The guy played 17 seasons and almost 1200 games, was a 5-time All-star, and was a #1 or #2 defender in the NHL for 10 or 12 years. Yeah, he never took his play to the Norris level that many thought he was capable of, but he was an excellent defender for a very long time, and one of the higher-scoring defenders in the history of the game.
Ola said:I would say that right now Tyutin is well ahead of Whitney, Fedor played against men at the age of 17 and have established himself as one of the better defensemens in the RSL. He was for example on the first pairing in the Sweden Hockey Games. Still that doesn't mean that he will be a better player in the NHL in 5 years. In the end that only means that Tyutin has more experience playing against better players and playing in systems at a higher level, it takes allot of diffrent skills to make it in the NHL. In the end both he and Whitney need to show that they have the extreme durability to be a elite defensemen in the NHL.
Both are very good defensemen but to me it doesn't make any sense comparing them since they really have a completly diffrent background and there is still soo many factors that are unpredictable that will in the end decide how good they will become, like injurys, coaching and oppertunity to play ect.
Rabid Ranger said:I would agree that Tjutin is ahead of Whitney, mainly because he's actually played in the NHL, but that shouldn't take away from the potential Whitney has, which is to be much better than Tjutin, or most other defensemen for that matter.