Favourite #144 - Dominik Hasek vs. Carey Price

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This is a favourite player and not best player poll. The winner of this playoff bracket will be crowned the favourite player.

Qualifying Round	Quarterfinals	Semifinals	Final
Cale Makar 23 Connor McDavid 30 Terry Sawchuk 7 Roberto Luongo 21	Sidney Crosby Connor McDavid Wayne Gretzky 43 Bobby Orr 21 Dominik Hasek Carey Price Jaromir Jagr Roberto Luongo	Wayne Gretzky TBD TBD	TBD

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Round of 16	Quarterfinals	Semifinals	Final
Patrik Laine 55 Nikita Kucherov 77 John Tavares 14 Artemi Panarin 50 Auston Matthews 18 Aleksander Barkov 27 Nathan MacKinnon 18 Leon Draisaitl 15 David Pastrnak 25 Mikko Rantanen 41 Mitch Marner 16 Kirill Kaprizov 36 Brayden Point 47 Mathew Barzal 13 Connor McDavid 84 Sebastian Aho 29	Nikita Kucherov 20 Artemi Panarin 39 Aleksander Barkov 22 Nathan MacKinnon 48 Mikko Rantanen 24 Kirill Kaprizov 26 Brayden Point 18 Connor McDavid 37	Artemi Panarin 17 Nathan MacKinnon 30 Kirill Kaprizov 21 Connor McDavid 25	Nathan MacKinnon 39 Connor McDavid 52

Round of 16	Quarterfinals	Semifinals	Final
Henrik Sedin 62 Ryan Getzlaf 49 Claude Giroux 37 Patrick Kane 42 Phil Kessel 32 Steven Stamkos 27 Alexander Ovechkin 105 Ilya Kovalchuk 25 Sidney Crosby 27 Nicklas Bäckström 12 Joe Pavelski 9 Henrik Zetterberg 31 Anze Kopitar 51 Jonathan Toews 8 Patrice Bergeron 48 Evgeni Malkin 61	Henrik Sedin 80 Patrick Kane 51 Phil Kessel 22 Alexander Ovechkin 30 Sidney Crosby 55 Henrik Zetterberg 32 Anze Kopitar 23 Evgeni Malkin 18	Henrik Sedin 50 Alexander Ovechkin 72 Sidney Crosby 87 Anze Kopitar 49	Alexander Ovechkin 55 Sidney Crosby 87

Round of 16	Quarterfinals	Semifinals	Final
Peter Forsberg 55 Eric Lindros 15 Pavel Datsyuk 51 Joe Thornton 12 Teemu Selänne 46 Mats Sundin 17 Markus Näslund 25 Marian Hossa 24 Joe Sakic 55 Sergei Fedorov 20 Jarome Iginla 66 Martin St. Louis 40 Paul Kariya 26 Patrik Elias 7 Jaromír Jágr 80 Marian Gaborik 15	Peter Forsberg 41 Pavel Datsyuk 26 Teemu Selanne 26 Markus Naslund 12 Joe Sakic 34 Jarome Iginla 17 Paul Kariya 34 Jaromir Jagr 51	Peter Forsberg 58 Teemu Selanne 61 Joe Sakic 24 Jaromir Jagr 31	Teemu Selanne 32 Jaromir Jagr 37

Round of 16	Quarterfinals	Semifinals	Final
Gordie Howe 15 Maurice Richard 10 Luc Robitaille 10 Wayne Gretzky 31 Jari Kurri 18 Brett Hull 14 Pavel Bure 32 Alexei Kovalev 7 Steve Yzerman 49 Wendel Clark 11 Mario Lemieux 24 Brendan Shanahan 7 Ron Francis 19 Adam Oates 18 Mike Modano 9 Alexander Mogilny 25	Gordie Howe 22 Wayne Gretzky 32 Jari Kurri 17 Pavel Bure 28 Steve Yzerman 36 Mario Lemieux 51 Ron Francis 15 Alexander Mogilny 20	Wayne Gretzky 33 Pavel Bure 26 Mario Lemieux 38 Alexander Mogilny 14	Wayne Gretzky 125 Mario Lemieux 91

Qualifying Round	Quarterfinals	Semifinals	Final
Cale Makar 42 Quinn Hughes 7	Adam Fox 29 Cale Makar 167 Erik Karlsson 28 Drew Doughty 18 Shea Weber 62 Kris Letang 43 Victor Hedman 43 Roman Josi 23	Cale Makar 45 Erik Karlsson 34 Shea Weber 37 Victor Hedman 33	Cale Makar 98 Shea Weber 47

Round of 16	Quarterfinals	Semifinals	Final
Bobby Orr 24 Denis Potvin 3 Paul Coffey 21 Brian Leetch 8 Vladimir Konstantinov 13 Rob Blake 11 Chris Chelios 9 Chris Pronger 19 Ray Bourque 36 Al MacInnis 25 Nicklas Lidström 86 Scott Niedermayer 33 Zdeno Chara 66 Andrei Markov 31 Dustin Byfuglien 47 Brent Burns 21	Bobby Orr 23 Paul Coffey 8 Vladimir Konstantinov 37 Chris Pronger 35 Ray Bourque 65 Nicklas Lidström 82 Zdeno Chara 60 Dustin Byfuglien 43	Bobby Orr 23 Vladimir Konstantinov 13 Nicklas Lidström 61 Zdeno Chara 22	Bobby Orr 27 Nicklas Lidström 26

Qualifying Round	Quarterfinals	Semifinals	Final
John Gibson 16 Carter Hart 3 Robin Lehner 13 Jacob Markström 28 Frederik Andersen 7 Connor Hellebuyck 12	Carey Price 41 John Gibson 16 Tuukka Rask 43 Jacob Markström 17 Andrei Vasilevskiy 41 Connor Hellebuyck 13 Thatcher Demko 51 Igor Shesterkin 33	Carey Price 18 Tuukka Rask 12 Andrei Vasilevskiy 51 Thatcher Demko 27	Carey Price 97 Andrei Vasilevskiy 53

Round of 16	Quarterfinals	Semifinals	Final
Kari Lehtonen 18 Antti Niemi 9 Roberto Luongo 39 Ryan Miller 8 Ilya Bryzgalov 49 Craig Anderson 24 Jean-Sebastien Giguere 25 Niklas Bäckström 12 Pekka Rinne 52 Henrik Lundqvist 61 Cory Schneider 31 Braden Holtby 27 Jonathan Quick 31 Corey Crawford 10 Marc-Andre Fleury 21 Sergei Bobrovsky 9	Kari Lehtonen 11 Roberto Luongo 32 Ilya Bryzgalov 40 Jean-Sebastien Giguere 36 Henrik Lundqvist 54 Cory Schneider 21 Jonathan Quick 14 Marc-Andre Fleury 32	Roberto Luongo 50 Ilya Bryzgalov 22 Henrik Lundqvist 38 Marc-Andre Fleury 24	Roberto Luongo 15 Henrik Lundqvist 11

Round of 16	Quarterfinals	Semifinals	Final
Dominik Hasek 94 Chris Osgood 8 Olaf Kölzig 47 Felix Potvin 46 Evgeni Nabokov 32 Dan Cloutier 7 Tomas Vokoun 14 Martin Brodeur 25 Curtis Joseph 26 Dwayne Roloson 5 Nikolai Khabibulin 43 Tim Thomas 22 Miikka Kiprusoff 102 Marty Turco 14 Patrick Roy 52 José Théodore 15	Dominik Hasek 67 Olaf Kolzig 14 Evgeni Nabokov 34 Martin Brodeur 57 Curtis Joseph 23 Nikolai Khabibulin 24 Miikka Kiprusoff 34 Patrick Roy 19	Dominik Hasek 123 Martin Brodeur 45 Nikolai Khabibulin 14 Miikka Kiprusoff 31	Dominik Hasek 62 Miikka Kiprusoff 30

Round of 16	Quarterfinals	Semifinals	Final
Terry Sawchuk 19 Glenn Hall 6 Jacques Plante 9 Tony Esposito 5 Ken Dryden 21 Vladislav Tretiak 29 Kelly Hrudey 7 Grant Fuhr 44 John Vanbiesbrouck 25 Mike Vernon 18 Ron Hextall 18 Ed Belfour 34 Tom Barrasso 9 Arturs Irbe 48 Kirk McLean 23 Mike Richter 32	Terry Sawchuk 15 Jacques Plante 11 Vladislav Tretiak 33 Grant Fuhr 18 John Vanbiesbrouck 6 Ed Belfour 18 Arturs Irbe 15 Mike Richter 5	Terry Sawchuk 19 Vladislav Tretiak 16 Ed Belfour 34 Arturs Irbe 33	Terry Sawchuk 12 Ed Belfour 6

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[ijuka]

Price, boring but effective.

Hasek, a human highlight reel.

I wonder who I'll pick.

 

[Bouboumaster]

I understand why people will vote for Hasek but I gonna vote for my boi Price
The past 15 years were all his, he was/is the player of an entire Habs era

Plus he's an incredible human being

Hasek is a good answer too lol

 

[Soundgarden]

I'd think the only people that'd pick Price over Hasek would be Habs fans.

 

[David Suzuki]

I think these are the two greatest goalies of all time but even as a Habs fan Hasek was my favourite player as a kid so I had to go for him.

 

[Jack Spider]

I'd think the only people that'd pick Price over Hasek would be Habs fans.

Nah man Price means a lot to indigenous people.

 

[BlueDream]

I think these are the two greatest goalies of all time but even as a Habs fan Hasek was my favourite player as a kid so I had to go for him.

Holy crap you guys sure do know how to overrate Price lol.

 

[David Suzuki]

Holy crap you guys sure do know how to overrate Price lol.

I've watched a lot of hockey I don't know how many goalies did as much with as little as Price had. Hasek is the best at that Price is #2 so me that's the mark of an all time goalie.

 

[Bileur]

I've watched a lot of hockey I don't know how many goalies did as much with as little as Price had. Hasek is the best at that Price is #2 so me that's the mark of an all time goalie.

I wouldn’t put him 2nd all time (or even top 3) but Price certainly did single handedly carry the Habs for a long time.

Hasek was so entertaining though. Just an incredible goalie to watch. The way the challenged shooters and dared them to shoot somewhere only to rob them just oozed confidence.

 

[bobholly39]

I think these are the two greatest goalies of all time but even as a Habs fan Hasek was my favourite player as a kid so I had to go for him.

Your bias is showing, it's pretty ridiculous...Just because Hasek is your favorite player as a kid doesn't make him top 2 all time.

Price? Sure, Price works

 

[centipede2233]

I think these are the two greatest goalies of all time but even as a Habs fan Hasek was my favourite player as a kid so I had to go for him.

2 greatest goalies of all time? you have to be kidding me……………..

 

[NyQuil]

Holy crap you guys sure do know how to overrate Price lol.

He might not even be top 3 among Habs goalies.

Roy, Plante and Dryden have pretty compelling cases.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Price is a better guy, but Hasek is one of the most entertaining players (not just goalies) ever.

 

[Hockeyholic]

He might not even be top 3 among Habs goalies.

Roy, Plante and Dryden have pretty compelling cases.

This.

I don't see an argument for him over any of these guys.

 

[82Ninety42011]

Hasek was a human highlight real and a character to boot. I watched games just to watch him incredible entertainment value. Never have I watched a game just because of the goalie before or since.

 

[Hunter368]

Hasek, easily.

 

[BlueBaron]

I think these are the two greatest goalies of all time but even as a Habs fan Hasek was my favourite player as a kid so I had to go for him.

As a Habs fan it's shocking you believe this. Price could carry Dryden's equipment maybe...... I won't name the others....He's probably not even top 3 on the Hab list of crease villains.

 

[Laphroaig]

Since the question is who do I like, Price is the obvious answer. Price is a terrific human while Hasek was and is a jerk.

 

[JoVel]

Since the question is who do I like, Price is the obvious answer. Price is a terrific human while Hasek was and is a jerk.

The question is also which player you like more. As long as Hasek didn't kill puppies as a hobby I'm picking him.

 

[Albatros]

Hašek is a jerk but that goes both ways, on occasion he's also been outspoken about the right things.

 

[BlueBrunswick]

I wouldn’t put him 2nd all time (or even top 3) but Price certainly did single handedly carry the Habs for a long time.

Hasek was so entertaining though. Just an incredible goalie to watch. The way the challenged shooters and dared them to shoot somewhere only to rob them just oozed confidence.

"Price certainly did single handedly carry the Habs for a long time."

Is something that always gets mentioned, but isn't really true - not the "long time" part anyway. In Price's first six years, which represents 310 games played for him or 43% of his entire career games played, he accumulated 145 wins with a .915 SV% and a 2.56 Gaa - How did his backups do? four backs combined to play 170 games over those six years and accumulated 86 wins with a .918 Sv% and a 2.55 Gaa. In those first six years, no one would describe what price was doing as carrying a team - he actually lost the starting gig twice in those six years. Lets fast forward to the last 5 years - you must admit, both Price and the Habs have been a dumpster fire over the last number of years... Price has put up below average numbers overall - only 200 games played with a .908 Sv%, the team has been terrible, but Allen and Niemi combined have played 100 games over the last 5 and have a .907 SV% - the rest of the collection of reclamation projects and garbage heap finds have been much worse, but that is to be expected from a collection of goalies who otherwise would not be in the NHL for the most part if not for injuries to both the Habs primary and backup goalie.

Without a doubt, there is a four year timeframe where the Carey Price was the Habs and any success they had was 100% because of him - you can't say that for the first 6 years for certain, his best year was a 5th place Vezina finish surrounded by up and down years, his backup finish 10th in Vezina voting one of those years. Over the last 5 he has been as much as a tire fire as the rest of the team - where would the Habs be without him over the last 5, probably not much different.

Contrast this with Hasek's 9 years in Buffalo - 6 Vezina wins and a Hart nomination 5 times... Price is not really in the same conversation.

 

[Plante]

"Price certainly did single handedly carry the Habs for a long time."

Is something that always gets mentioned, but isn't really true - not the "long time" part anyway. In Price's first six years, which represents 310 games played for him or 43% of his entire career games played, he accumulated 145 wins with a .915 SV% and a 2.56 Gaa - How did his backups do? four backs combined to play 170 games over those six years and accumulated 86 wins with a .918 Sv% and a 2.55 Gaa. In those first six years, no one would describe what price was doing as carrying a team - he actually lost the starting gig twice in those six years. Lets fast forward to the last 5 years - you must admit, both Price and the Habs have been a dumpster fire over the last number of years... Price has put up below average numbers overall - only 200 games played with a .908 Sv%, the team has been terrible, but Allen and Niemi combined have played 100 games over the last 5 and have a .907 SV% - the rest of the collection of reclamation projects and garbage heap finds have been much worse, but that is to be expected from a collection of goalies who otherwise would not be in the NHL for the most part if not for injuries to both the Habs primary and backup goalie.

Without a doubt, there is a four year timeframe where the Carey Price was the Habs and any success they had was 100% because of him - you can't say that for the first 6 years for certain, his best year was a 5th place Vezina finish surrounded by up and down years, his backup finish 10th in Vezina voting one of those years. Over the last 5 he has been as much as a tire fire as the rest of the team - where would the Habs be without him over the last 5, probably not much different.

Contrast this with Hasek's 9 years in Buffalo - 6 Vezina wins and a Hart nomination 5 times... Price is not really in the same conversation.

I think this is the epitome of why stats don't mean as much as people think lol, not a single fan/expert who has watched him play from A-Z would agree with you.

- The backups played way less often, and against worse teams. Using save percentage as a barometer here ignores that basic fact. Having a .01 GAA and .03 SV% differential considering those factors means nothing.
Double their games and increase the competition of those four goalies, then see what happens. It's not rocket surgery here.

Saying that he 'lost the starting gig' dismisses that Halak was playing out of his mind and we basically had two amazing goalies for a short period.

I will agree that injuries have slowed him down these past couple of years, but he also achieved FAR more playoff success than Dom ever did with Buffallo, and there rosters weren't too far apart it skill level up front.

Context is important, Haseks regular seasons in Buffallo are unmatched by any other goalie, but their careers aren't as black and white as most make them out to be.

We all saw what happened when they played for good teams.

 

[Albatros]

The backups played way less often, and against worse teams. Using save percentage as a barometer here ignores that basic fact.

That's not really true regarding the opponents, and playing less is not of advantage unless the other guy is being overplayed which wasn't the case with Price.

 

[Plante]

That's not really true regarding the opponents, and playing less is not of advantage unless the other guy is being overplayed which wasn't the case with Price.

He was averaging almost 60 GP during those seasons, and yes it is really true about his opponents. Price was not only consistently put in against the heavy hitters, but also divisional rivals from the get-go.

I'm not arguing Price > Hasek, just the dismissal of how much Price truly contributed to the Habs orginization.

 

[Albatros]

He was averaging almost 60 GP during those seasons, and yes it is really true about his opponents. Price was not only consistently put in against the heavy hitters, but also divisional rivals from the get-go.

Divisional rivals mostly yes, but against top teams backups played plenty. The Habs weren't very good and those weren't the games they were hoping to win.