Injury Report: Ethan Bear (COVID-19)

[garnetpalmetto]

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[MinJaBen]

Yuck. Let's hope he is anti-social and doesn't hangout with the guys very much.

 

[garnetpalmetto]

I wonder what the protocol here is. Is it like last season where you essentially leave the guy in the team hotel and continue on the road without him?

 

[tarheelhockey]

Oh jeez. Here we go.

 

[Tryamw]

Oh jeez. Here we go.

Time for our squad to suffer the Covid Madness!. Poor team.. Stay healthy Except for you J Staal We need you in your Post Covid form so you get infected!.

 

[MinJaBen]

I wonder what the protocol here is. Is it like last season where you essentially leave the guy in the team hotel and continue on the road without him?

It is a good question. Does the fact he has been immunized alter the protocol we saw last year? My guess is that if he is indeed a confirmed positive, that he is going to be eating a lot of hotel food.

 

[VAcaniac]

Timing seems kind of suspicious that Necas was sick but covid-negative

 

[Svechhammer]

The entire team and staff was vaccinated. At a certain point what the f*** are we still doing with this. If he's actually sick, I understand holding him out but if it's just a positive test, this is stupid.

The vax is widely available. Those who want it can get it.

 

[mikeyfan]

Right now on the Canes Website they have Smith slotted with Slavin on D. Myself I can see the D line looking like the following:

Slavin - Pesce
Skjei - DeAngelo
Cole - Smith

My reasoning is we saw Skjei and DeAngelo played well together when Pesce was out. We know Slavin and Pesce is a shut down paring and Cole and Smith worked well together when Pesce was out.

 

[Lempo]

I wonder what the protocol here is. Is it like last season where you essentially leave the guy in the team hotel and continue on the road without him?

I assume this link has the protocol in PDF:

https://media.nhl.com/site/asset/public/ext/2021-22/2021-22COVIDProtocol.pdf

edit: Yes.

D. EXHIBIT 25-A In the event a Player is diagnosed with a confirmed positive finding for COVID-19 (or has a resulting and/or related illness), the Club Physician shall issue an Exhibit 25-A designating the Player as “unfit to play”.

• If the Player is Fully Vaccinated or if the Player is not vaccinated for medical reasons or because doing so would conflict with his sincerely held religious beliefs the Player shall be deemed to have sustained an illness during and arising out of the course of his employment as a hockey player for such period as he may be removed from training, practice or play, and his condition shall be treated as a hockey related injury for all purposes under the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

• If the Player is an Unvaccinated Individual (and not subject to the exception for medical or religious reasons stated above), the Player shall not be considered to have sustained an illness during and arising out of the course of his employment for such period as he may be removed from training, practice or play, and his condition shall not be treated as a hockey related injury for purposes of entitlement to Paragraph 1 NHL Salary for the 2021-22 Season unless the Player establishes, on the basis of a balance of the probabilities, that he contracted COVID-19 and/or any resulted or related illness during and arising out of the course of his employment as a hockey Player. A Player, however, shall not be entitled to payment of his Paragraph 1 NHL Salary for the period of disability if the Club establishes, on the basis of a balance of the probabilities, that the Player failed to comply with the terms of this Protocol in a manner that was reasonably related to his contraction of COVID-19 and/or any resulting or related illness. Other than the withholding of Paragraph 1 NHL Salary for the period of the disability, the Player shall remain entitled to all rights and benefits under his SPC and the CBA (e.g., pension credits and insurance benefits).



D. SELF-ISOLATION UPON CONFIRMATION OF COVID-19 POSITIVE STATUS

A person whose COVID-19 positive status has been confirmed shall remain in isolation, shall not exercise, and shall not participate in any training activity or have any contact (other than remotely) with any other personnel for the duration of their isolation. How to Isolate:

• Limit contact with others, engage in frequent hand hygiene, keep surfaces clean, avoid sharing personal items,
• Monitor yourself for symptoms,
• Arrange to have access to needed supplies,
• If living in a shared accommodation, protect co-living individuals by:
o Limiting contact by using separate bathrooms, if possible
o Not sharing personal items
o Maintaining a 6 ft (2m) distance (if unable to maintain physical distance, consider alternate accommodation)
o Clean and disinfect frequently touched surfaces often
o Have others wear personal protective equipment such as a medical mask, disposable gloves and eye protection when within 6 ft (2m) of the ill/positive person. During such period, the person shall be in daily contact with and receive remote care from Club medical staff or such other physicians as considered appropriate.


E. ENDING ISOLATION Players or Club personnel whose test has been confirmed positive shall remain in isolation until all of the following conditions have been satisfied:

• If at least 10 days have passed since symptoms first appeared, and at least 24 hours have passed since last fever without the use of fever-reducing medications, and symptoms (e.g., cough, shortness of breath, etc.) have improved (with the exception of continued loss of taste or smell so long as other symptoms have improved).
• In addition, the Club Physician, its infectious disease expert, and any other treating physician providing care to the individual, must conclude that the individual no longer presents a risk of infection to others, and that it is medically appropriate (given individual and local circumstances) to terminate the requirement for self-isolation.
• The termination of the isolation requirement is consistent with applicable local public health regulations or other requirements.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

The entire team and staff was vaccinated. At a certain point what the f*** are we still doing with this. If he's actually sick, I understand holding him out but if it's just a positive test, this is stupid.

The vax is widely available. Those who want it can get it.

Are you suggesting they let him play while positive? Am I reading that right?

 

[Svechhammer]

Are you suggesting they let him play while positive? Am I reading that right?

At a certain point, if he's asymptomatic, why not. We are about to enter Year 3 of this thing, we are not going to rid ourselves of it, enough people are choosing to remain unprotected that it's impossible for that to happen. We cannot be socially paralyzed by the people who refuse to protect themselves.

A German politician today predicted that by the end of winter, the vast majority of their population will either be fully vaccinated, recovered, or dead. The same is likely to apply here as well.

 

[MinJaBen]

At a certain point, if he's asymptomatic, why not. We are about to enter Year 3 of this thing, we are not going to rid ourselves of it, enough people are choosing to remain unprotected that it's impossible for that to happen. We cannot be socially paralyzed by the people who refuse to protect themselves.

A German politician today predicted that by the end of winter, the vast majority of their population will either be fully vaccinated, recovered, or dead. The same is likely to apply here as well.

That might work if the vaccines were 100% and their protection never waned, but we know both are not true.

 

[Svechhammer]

That might work if the vaccines were 100% and their protection never waned, but we know both are not true.

Influenza doesn't have a perfect vaccine and the protection wanes. We aren't administering Flu tests every few days to monitor who has it.

As I said, if the person is ill to the point of needing rest, I don't care. But pulling fully vaccinated players for the sole reason of testing positive right now, especially on teams where the entire team and staff are vaccinated, is stupid at this point.

And yes I understand that COVID is more dangerous than the flu... If you're unvaccinated. Those who have the shots and are fully protected, at a certain point society has to move on.

 

[Unsustainable]

The vaccines don't help prevent transmission or infection. Im with Svechhammer on this. We can't live like this forever. The pandemic has to end, ESPECIALLY if this new Pill developed by Pfizer actually can treat the disease. If it has a treatment available, then it's no different than any other illness and there is no need for it to get special treatment.

monoclonal antibodies
NAD
and this other antiviral medication

I mean it works.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Few restrictions remain. Staying away from others for a week or so if you knowingly have it is the barest of minimums. It's not some big sacrifice.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

This is bad right?

 

[Wolfpuck]

Well poopy…

 

[HisIceness]

f***. I mean damn the whole team got the shot even the coaches and management and this shit still happened.

 

[A Star is Burns]

I just hope he avoids major symptoms and issues. Hopefully, others on the team do as well. That's what's most important.

 

[garnetpalmetto]

So we don't turn this into a miniaturized version of the COVID board, please keep all discussion related strictly to Bear and/or the team. Broader discussions of COVID policy, treatment, pet conspiracy theories, etc. have no place here.

 

[tarheelhockey]

f***. I mean damn the whole team got the shot even the coaches and management and this shit still happened.

It’s gonna happen, with the amount of exposures they are now experiencing. Say the vaccine is 90% effective, that means a player (on average) will test positive once for every ten exposures. When they’re traveling, playing hockey against 31 other teams, etc those exposures are going to add up fast. It was different in the bubble season and the division-only season.

The important thing is that (as far as we know) this is just a positive test and not a case of a guy being seriously ill. They’ll isolate him for the sake of containing the spread, but with any luck this doesn’t become a season-altering deal.

 

[chaz4hockey]

I guess the question is has the team received a next round of shots? If they received j&j then effectiveness declines even faster than Pfizer/moderna and in all cases 6 months is a significant decline

In any event, NHL/professional teams need to get players re-vaccinated to keep breakthrough cases down. Otherwise, there will be more Ottawas and Bear cases and the season will have challenges to fairly complete.

Mr Bear, get well soon!!!

 

[LakeLivin]

It’s gonna happen, with the amount of exposures they are now experiencing. Say the vaccine is 90% effective, that means a player (on average) will test positive once for every ten exposures. When they’re traveling, playing hockey against 31 other teams, etc those exposures are going to add up fast. It was different in the bubble season and the division-only season.

The important thing is that (as far as we know) this is just a positive test and not a case of a guy being seriously ill. They’ll isolate him for the sake of containing the spread, but with any luck this doesn’t become a season-altering deal.

That's a (common and understandable) misinterpretation of what a 90% effectiveness rate for a vaccine means.

What actually happens is that they analyze the data after a pre-determined X amount of infections occur. They then compare the proportion of vaccinated subjects who became infected against the proportion of placebo subjects who became infected to get the vaccines effectiveness. Say the study was sized to stop after 1000 total subjects became infected. If 900 of those infected subjects had received placebo and 100 had received vaccine, the vaccine effectiveness would be 90%.

Note that there's no way to know how many exposures the study subjects may have had or even who among them was exposed at all.

 

[Chrispy]

It’s gonna happen, with the amount of exposures they are now experiencing. Say the vaccine is 90% effective, that means a player (on average) will test positive once for every ten exposures. When they’re traveling, playing hockey against 31 other teams, etc those exposures are going to add up fast. It was different in the bubble season and the division-only season.

The important thing is that (as far as we know) this is just a positive test and not a case of a guy being seriously ill. They’ll isolate him for the sake of containing the spread, but with any luck this doesn’t become a season-altering deal.

Yes, unless the plan was to isolate teams on the road like last season, or put them back in a bubble like the 2020 postseason, some occasional breakthroughs are inevitable. And as we saw last season, even the isolation on the road wasn't foolproof with a less infectious variant.