ginopuck
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I'd say it was Lindros, I think during his prime he was the most feared player in the world. Any thoughts?
I'm gonna wait to see the cases for each player. This is a tough one. Lindros was an amazing player in his prime, but it's not like Messier didn't win Harts himself.
You dont need arguments when remembering Erics status in 1996 do you?
You dont need arguments when remembering Erics status in 1996 do you?
Sports Illustrated said:Messier is leading, the Rangers are following, and everyone else is getting out of the way. Just nine months ago New York looked spent, bullied out of the second round of the playoffs by the younger, tougher Flyers. Messier appeared on the verge of passing the torch as the NHL's best leader to Philadelphia captain Eric Lindros last spring, but before the 22-year-old Lindros dares to claim it, he must recover from second-degree burns this season. In the three Flyers-Rangers matches so far in '95-96, Messier had nine points, Lindros two.
Not a big fan of Messier but he was about as a equal when it came to physical dominance. Add to it that he was a much smarter guy on the ice and we have a winner.
It's enough to say that Lindros was better offensively, and far more dominant physically. Perhaps Messier was better in the clutch, but that could be becouse of Erics shortened career.I feel like the answer is Lindros. He had 3 inches and 30 pounds on Messier, and he played like he knew just how much of an advantage he had over his competition. He was more willing to fight (.062/.026), and when he did it was against skilled fighters.
He wasn't picking spots out there: Messier is to Goberts, McSorely, Hunter, and Otto as Lindros is to Beaukeboom, Stevens, Daneyko, Odelein, Grimson, Simon, Quintal, Pilon, Boughner, Barnaby, Simpson, O'Donnell, and McSorely.
Messier had 7 (of 24) seasons with over 100 pim; Lindros had 8 (of 13). Lindros also holds the distinction of never closing out a season with an PIM/GP less than 1.22. I can't say for certain, but I want to say both have been suspended 3 times (at least). Lindros also led the league in scoring once, which might be tarnished by the lockout. However, it's in the record books all the same.
With all due respect to Messier, who obviously had the greater career and much greater longevity, this is Lindros.
Prime Lindros was one of the most dominant players I have ever seen. Physically imposing all around, an intimidating presence and very talented to boot.
Lindros was pretty much a bigger, stronger, more productive Messier.
It is too bad that a combination of everyone trying to take down the king of the hill as well as his own lack of vision at times led to Lindros' brain getting scrambled.
when lindros came into the league, a number of defensemen said things like, "i thought mark messier was the strongest player ever, but this kid..."
but being that training and conditioning got so much better in the 90s, the argument can be made that messier was as physically dominant in the 80s and maybe early 90s as lindros was in his prime. the fear factor with messier was very real, and while it may have been a little lower than lindros', i don't think it's closer than a lot of posters here suggest. add the durability (and playing 75+ games a year vs. 65-ish has to count for dominance, even if we're just talking primes), twice as many harts, the demonstrably better playoff prime/peak, and being the undisputed leader and best player on two cup winners, and i have a hard time not going with messier here.
and really, even if we're just talking about a fighting contest, maybe even just a push-ups competition, hell even a body building contest, i don't know that messier wouldn't hold his own.
Depends how you define strength. I know Mario Lemieux never touched a weight in his life, but in the late 80s/early 90s I think he was stronger on his skates than Messier. Messier used his physical strength more aggressively, but nobody could move Mario off the puck. At all.
Eh, have you seen the poll?
They played two different games so its hard to compare. Messier played more like Gordie Howe, whereas Lindros played like no one before him. He was a wrecking ball with skill and some grace. Messier was mean, but selective and a much better playmaker.