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The Seldom Seen Kid
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It was the other way around. Maas took over for Ray because Ray really struggled in some playoff games. Maas doesn't think sometimes, he just goes out and acts. Which is why he was so good in that role. He didn't overthink it. Ray tended to overthink things sometimes.
Well Maas was the older more experienced QB so that makes some sense that the younger QB (Ray) would struggle from time to time. I just remember at least a few times when Ray came in for Maas and won the game.
I am not sure how you can attribute that to overthinking on Rays part....most likely it was just inexperience.
Well this was well into Ray's CFL career, so I don't think it was inexperience. Just that he got cold at the wrong time. He did recover in time for the GC final though, and played very well there. If we didn't have Maas we never make it into the GC that one year though.
Yeah...I have to say that I am questioning your recollection although its probably better than mine.
No matter though...its largely irrelevant and takes away form the real issue here which is Jason Maas as a qualified Head coach.
Unfortunately for Maas's individual numbers, Ray struggled south of the border. He never threw a regular-season pass with the Jets, and after being released tried in vain to catch on with another NFL team in time for the 2005 NFL season. Conjecture immediately ran high that Ray would be lured back to the Eskimos with a relative big-money deal, which soon followed. In addition, Maas faced additional competition from recently signed former Most Outstanding Player Khari Jones.
Former offensive co-ordinator and new head coach Danny Maciocia had led Maas's offense during his 2004 season, but he also knew that the starting quarterback had to be decisively selected and stuck to. After preseason, Maciocia chose and stuck to Ray, returning Maas to the bench for the 2005 CFL season. Maas saw little game action in the regular season, appearing only in relief for the final game, a blowout loss to the Calgary Stampeders.
However, entering into the next week's Western Semi-final game against the Stampeders, Ricky Ray was being criticized for his recent play, and after a relatively poor first half, Maciocia put Maas in for Ray for the second half. Maas re-ignited the dormant Eskimos offense and led them to a comeback victory, resurrecting the old quarterback controversy that had plagued the Eskimos for years. Maas followed this up by again appearing in relief during the fourth quarter over Ray in the West Division final against the Lions, scoring the winning touchdown and leading the Eskimos to another victory. Once again, perhaps because of rumours Maas had already been traded to the Hamilton Tiger-Cats for veteran quarterback Danny McManus and lineman Tim Bakker, Maciocia opted to start Ray in the 93rd Grey Cup. Ray played the whole game and won it, being named MVP in the process. After the game, confirming what TSN called "the CFL's worst-kept secret", Maas was traded to the Tiger-Cats.
From Maas' wikipedia page:
I feel like that it was such a moronic move by Maas that Stamps fans must have felt they were missing something. I know I would be if I was an opposing fan to a move like that, just mind boggling.
I've changed my mind. I liked the call.Just wanted to comment, that in regards to the opinion Maas' decision during the game, I don't believe I have ever witnessed this board being 100 % in agreement on anything. Until now. That's how obviously bad it was.
When you're a player, you're usually just concerned about your own job and no one else's. Huge difference from running an entire team and making decisions on behalf of all facets, and on the fly to boot. Just because a guy was a good thinker during his playing days does not necessarily bode well for him being a good coach. Otherwise, Wayne Gretzky would be inducted into the HOF as a coach as well by now.Was there ever a time when Maas (the QB) was able to overcome the big moments in playoff games? I can recall a couple of times when Ricky Ray had to take over because Maas was so ineffective.
Perhaps he just doesnt process the big game moments effectively.
When you're a player, you're usually just concerned about your own job and no one else's. Huge difference from running an entire team and making decisions on behalf of all facets, and on the fly to boot. Just because a guy was a good thinker during his playing days does not necessarily bode well for him being a good coach. Otherwise, Wayne Gretzky would be inducted into the HOF as a coach as well by now.
I'll give Mike O'Shea some credit for manning up on his gaffe that contributed to the Bomber loss the week before. The Mass explanation just gives the feeling of stupidity, arrogance, or both. And if he goes forward thinking he made the correct move and has not learned a thing from it, it is not unreasonable to think he will make similar stupid moves in the future. He needs to be fired before he gets that chance.
Carroll’s play call was, imo, a bad one but at least he was still trying to win with it. It can still reasonably be debated whether or not a passing play that worked for a touchdown earlier in the game was a better option than handing the ball to the leagues best running back at the one yard line.Thats really the crux of this issue at this point...if the fans and perhaps the media (and maybe even the players) are able to move on.
I am not sure that happens if the optics around this are such that Maas clearly hasnt learned a thing and refuses to hold himself accountable.
I heard Gregor today comparing this Maas gaffe to a standard bad call (ie Pete Carroll) on a gamble that doesnt work.
Its not the same thing...this is distinctly different.
Carroll’s play call was, imo, a bad one but at least he was still trying to win with it. It can still reasonably be debated whether or not a passing play that worked for a touchdown earlier in the game was a better option than handing the ball to the leagues best running back at the one yard line.
There is no debating Maas’ decision, that’s how bad it was. It had no strategic merit. I have yet to see anybody not affiliated with the Eskimos even try to. The best anybody has come up with was that maybe he didn’t know what the correct score was. That’s even worse. In any event, there is no comparison to the Carroll event and this one.
Yeah but Strudwick corrected Gregor on thatThats really the crux of this issue at this point...if the fans and perhaps the media (and maybe even the players) are able to move on.
I am not sure that happens if the optics around this are such that Maas clearly hasnt learned a thing and refuses to hold himself accountable.
I heard Gregor today comparing this Maas gaffe to a standard bad call (ie Pete Carroll) on a gamble that doesnt work.
Its not the same thing...this is distinctly different.
Yeah but Strudwick corrected Gregor on that
It's a shame that this bonehead call has overshadowed everything else that happened in the game.
-I thought Smith might be the real deal as a returner but yikes what a scary game.
-The Calgary D's coverage on Zylstra was exceptional
-The Stamps used the screen play very effectively all year but it seemed like our D was not prepared for this
-Stamp receivers are no threat to tear up the NFL, they looked pretty average
-Our run stop game is still shaky
-Konar and Jones were very solid at LB. Look forward to them being back next season.
-The Stamps will have their hands full with the Argos on Sunday. A rejuvenated Lemon leads a Toronto D that is very solid right now, they did a great job on a Sask offence that has some very talented receivers. Calgary won't be big favorites like they were in last year's Grey Cup.
-On another note, Riders look a lot like the 2015 Esks- D is very physical and creates turnovers-Offense seems to be limited in terms of scope and designed to be "adequate." Clearly the team's head coach was once a defensive coordinator
It's a shame that this bonehead call has overshadowed everything else that happened in the game.
-I thought Smith might be the real deal as a returner but yikes what a scary game.
-The Calgary D's coverage on Zylstra was exceptional
-The Stamps used the screen play very effectively all year but it seemed like our D was not prepared for this
-Stamp receivers are no threat to tear up the NFL, they looked pretty average
-Our run stop game is still shaky
-Konar and Jones were very solid at LB. Look forward to them being back next season.
-The Stamps will have their hands full with the Argos on Sunday. A rejuvenated Lemon leads a Toronto D that is very solid right now, they did a great job on a Sask offence that has some very talented receivers. Calgary won't be big favorites like they were in last year's Grey Cup.
-On another note, Riders look a lot like the 2015 Esks- D is very physical and creates turnovers-Offense seems to be limited in terms of scope and designed to be "adequate." Clearly the team's head coach was once a defensive coordinator
I Disagree with Jones (#45)...........he is a big guy but is not fast or smart enough to make the stops that he has to make as middle linebacker..........good thing that JC Sheritt will be back next year.
Jason Maas said:“I’ve gone over the scenario multiple times since the game ended and I still believe very strongly that’s the way I would go again.”
Idiocy and prideful arrogance! The fact that he says he'd do it again is terrifying.Its official....Jason Maas is clueless....
He talks about going for a 2 for 1. He only needed 1 possession and he decides to go for 2 possessions.
I am speechless. I cant even listen to him anymore but for those that can here is the audio. Its just more stupid repeating itself over and over again. I dont often call someone an idiot but there is no other way to describe this...its all kinds of stupid. This is low IQ stuff folks.
Unbelievable.
You can listen to Jason Maas and his pretzel logic and also listen to Morley Scott kissing his ass....
Head coach has no regrets after Edmonton Eskimos’ West Final loss
Idiocy and prideful arrogance! The fact that he says he'd do it again is terrifying.
I'd really like to know if there's anyone else involved in football that thinks that Jason Maas is in the right and the call made logical sense. I dunno maybe we're the dumb ones that can't see the brilliancy in what he was trying to execute...