Pre-Game Talk: Devils @ Leafs - MONDAY

[Penalty Kill Icing*]

I have no idea what Fenwick is and quick google search didn't explain much either (unlike Corsi). Can anyone explain to me why Leafs should worry more about it than other stat like, say, Corsi (where they are 5th)?

Don't think of me as ignorant. I am well aware that we have played like crap lately, and that list does kind of make sense to me, including our position in it.

 

[JGuardz]

From what I've read about it, a problem with Fenwick is it is based strictly on shots for/against, so teams that cycle well + grind the opponent down (since neither stat records a shot 90% of the time) will get outshot and are poorly represented in the stat. Now saying that, I agree that with the way the leafs are playing, it will result in quite a slide down the standings, but having a more lax schedule for march may help contribute to playing better.

I think more telling stats for the leafs are that they're both top 5 in goals/game as well as tied for 10th in Goals against/game, while also having a PK 15th and a PP 18th (which slid down from 10th a week ago).

I have no idea what Fenwick is and quick google search didn't explain much either (unlike Corsi). Can anyone explain to me why Leafs should worry more about it than other stat like, say, Corsi (where they are 5th)?

Don't think of me as ignorant. I am well aware that we have played like crap lately, and that list does kind of make sense to me, including our position in it.

In the simplest form, It measures puck possession using shots for Vs. shots against. Teams with higher Fenwick shoot the puck more than they get shot on.

 

[Urban Explorer*]

That stuff is interesting. Do you have a graph like for last year's final standings? Does it add up last year?

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

The Devils without Brodeur

what the hell is that?

 

[TheBigThree]

Just hope the leafs start playing the way they did prior the 6-0 blowout win with habs. They've been noticibly worse since that win

 

[Leaf Rocket]

Just hope the leafs start playing the way they did prior the 6-0 blowout win with habs. They've been noticibly worse since that win

Whatever the case is we have been utter crap ever since we saw us play in raleigh.

I just hope we get something going on now with a healthy group and possible some trades in.

 

[Kyle Doobas*]

From what I've read about it, a problem with Fenwick is it is based strictly on shots for/against, so teams that cycle well + grind the opponent down (since neither stat records a shot 90% of the time) will get outshot and are poorly represented in the stat. Now saying that, I agree that with the way the leafs are playing, it will result in quite a slide down the standings, but having a more lax schedule for march may help contribute to playing better.

Full article on Score-Adjusted Fenwick here:
http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Travis-Yost/Score-Adjusted-Fenwick-Standings-Is-Your-Team-For-Real/134/49651#.UTIaUDB4KHg

That stuff is interesting. Do you have a graph like for last year's final standings? Does it add up last year?

http://www.fearthefin.com/2012/1/28/2748031/playoff-probabilities-applying-score-adjusted-fenwick

I first heard about it last season when a few of the advanced stats junkies were predicting that the Minnesota Wild weren't the real deal and would fall dramatically from 1st place in the West. Should be interesting to see what happens with the Ducks in particular over the next couple of months.

 

[Suntouchable13]

I am sick and tired of these so called advanced stats. Some nerds make them up and they pretend that they mean something. You can make up pretty much any stat that you want. I never really cared for these advanced stats. I don't care what they say. If the Leafs happen to slide down the standings it won't be because Fenwick told me so or whatever. Come at me, advanced stats junkies

 

[Leaf Rocket]

David Alter ‏@DavidAlter590
Looks like just an optional for the #leafs today. Lupul Frattin and Reimer the only ones on the ice so far.

 

[Deebo]

I can't even remember the last time the Leafs didn't play on a Saturday.

December 10 2011.

 

[Kibago]

I am sick and tired of these so called advanced stats. Some nerds make them up and they pretend that they mean something. You can make up pretty much any stat that you want. I never really cared for these advanced stats. I don't care what they say. If the Leafs happen to slide down the standings it won't be because Fenwick told me so or whatever. Come at me, advanced stats junkies

Would you like to pick one and explain an actual problem you have with it, or stick with generic anti-intellectual nonsense?

As for the Fenwick discussion, it seems logical that the Leafs style of play could lead to them underperforming in it relative to how good the team is. The question is whether we can maintain that style of play - the Islanders game was filled with 'good shots' and scoring chances for them, not well-defended ones. We play like that, we're going to slide hard. Carlyle needs to stomp on that immediately.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Would you like to pick one and explain an actual problem you have with it, or stick with generic anti-intellectual nonsense?

As for the Fenwick discussion, it seems logical that the Leafs style of play could lead to them underperforming in it relative to how good the team is. The question is whether we can maintain that style of play - the Islanders game was filled with 'good shots' and scoring chances for them, not well-defended ones. We play like that, we're going to slide hard. Carlyle needs to stomp on that immediately.

Remier needs to shake off the rust that's all

 

[ConnorTO]

one strange Saturday

 

[Leaf Rocket]

David Alter ‏@DavidAlter590
Matt Frattin has been cleared for contact. Will take part in first full contact practice tomorrow
Jonas Siegel ‏@jonasTSN1050
Leafs holding off-ice workouts today. Also second set of individual player meetings. Carlyle says it's something they'll do every 6-8 games.

 

[LeafsMonster]

Its really good to hear that RC does these individual meetings. Communication is why this team has such a good relationship with him.

And Frattin's on his way back

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

David Alter ‏@DavidAlter590
Matt Frattin has been cleared for contact. Will take part in first full contact practice tomorrow
Jonas Siegel ‏@jonasTSN1050
Leafs holding off-ice workouts today. Also second set of individual player meetings. Carlyle says it's something they'll do every 6-8 games.

Welcome back Frattin!

 

[Leaf Rocket]

Well it's definitely a good way to tell them where their flaws and assets are. So I am glad. I hope they improve and also get a kick in their behind for more.

 

[Leaf Rocket]

Lance Hornby ‏@sunhornby
Carlyle on his one-year anniversary as Leaf coach: "It's been a whirlwind".
Lance Hornby ‏@sunhornby
No Leafs on-ice today, Carlyle conducting 1 on 1 player meetings and gym workouts. Frattin skated, will re-join main practice Sunday.

 

[Leaf Rocket]

Mark Masters ‏@markhmasters
Carlyle on whether Kadri has maturity to stay grounded: 'It’s always a test. You don’t just come out one day & say a player has it.'

Mark Masters ‏@markhmasters
Carlyle on Kadri not getting carried away from hat-trick buzz: 'It’s another test for a young player to manage the accolades'

Mark Masters ‏@markhmasters
Carlyle: 'I’m sure you’ve done some things in your life you’d like to take back as a 22-year-old. I know I have.

 

[Leaf Rocket]

Mark Masters ‏@markhmasters
Carlyle on Kadri: 'There’s too much over-analyzing going on ... I don’t think we have to get too carried away ... he’s a work in progress.' <_ THANK YOU GOD HE UNDERSTANDS!

 

[Daisy Jane]

Its really good to hear that RC does these individual meetings. Communication is why this team has such a good relationship with him.

And Frattin's on his way back

would love to be a fly on the wall for some of them.

 

[Leaf Rocket]

Mark Masters ‏@markhmasters
Frattin on whether Kadri trash talks: "Well, he’s not saying, ‘Hey, how’s it going? I haven’t seen you in awhile.’ He’s intense."

Mark Masters ‏@markhmasters
Leafs' Frattin says he can tell good friend & linemate Kadri is on his game when he's talking a lot to opposition players during games

 

[The Reaper]

Who do we want to win between Philly and Ott cause Philly is winning

 

[tacoburrito]

I can't even remember the last time the Leafs didn't play on a Saturday.

cbc is about to see a huge ratings drop imo

 

[Al14]

Who do we want to win between Philly and Ott cause Philly is winning

If Ottawa continues with a tailspin down the standings after this game, then, I want Philly to win.

Just no 3 point game!!!