Devils 2016-17 team discussion (player news and notes) - Part XII

[NJDevs26]

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[Bleedred]

Kalinin sucks

Just because I wanted that to be the first reply to this thread!

 

[NjDevsRR]

Obtain all of the Jersey boys

Ryan
Carlson
JVR
Gaudreau

CUP

 

[Emperoreddy]

Glad Moore is healthy as I never want to see the kind of **** that happened to him.

Still...****. He is back and is going to be glued to the damn lineup.

 

[Bleedred]

I hate to be on the Auvitu wagon, but he's kind of like a better Moore IMO.

 

[Jets012]

I hate to be on the Auvitu wagon, but he's kind of like a better Moore IMO.

I'll do it for you. Major mistake we are playing Moore over Auvitu. Very questionable talent evaluation.

 

[VoidCreature]

I hate to be on the Auvitu wagon, but he's kind of like a better Moore IMO.

Moore makes a lot of mistakes, but he doesn't get walked around on a regular basis. Auvitu gets a lot of shots off, but I still have nightmares about how many odd man rushes we were allowing early in the year.

 

[Emperoreddy]

Moore makes a lot of mistakes, but he doesn't get walked around on a regular basis. Auvitu gets a lot of shots off, but I still have nightmares about how many odd man rushes we were allowing early in the year.

He was not good at all when the play was coming back.

 

[Bcap88]

I think Ryan has 5 more years left at 7

 

[Bleedred]

I'll do it for you. Major mistake we are playing Moore over Auvitu. Very questionable talent evaluation.

The fact that Parenteau and Bennett have been a healthy scratch in games that Kalinin and DSP were playing, really make me wonder if Hynes cares about a possession game at all. You don't even need advanced stats to see if these guys are better than some of his favorites. He'll probably tell you he cares about possession, as would any coach. Then he'll show you something else when you see what he ices.

I think Ryan has 5 more years left at 7

Ugh

I can't imagine him being the highest paid player on this team right now. I'd rather take him in a deal where Ottawa retains significant salary than send a bag of pucks for his entire cap hit.

He's not a bad player, as much as I like to make fun of him. He's just not a $7 million dollar player.

 

[Bcap88]

The fact that Parenteau and Bennett have been a healthy scratch in games that Kalinin and DSP were playing, really make me wonder if Hynes cares about a possession game at all. You don't even need advanced stats to see if these guys are better than some of his favorites. He'll probably tell you he cares about possession, as would any coach. Then he'll show you something else when you see what he ices.

Ugh

I can't imagine him being the highest paid player on this team right now. I'd rather take him in a deal where Ottawa retains significant salary than send a bag of pucks for his entire cap hit.

He's not a bad player, as much as I like to make fun of him. He's just not a $7 million dollar player.

I would take Ryan at 5-5.5 other than that no way

 

[RSeen]

There is definitely some interesting options on D to be picked up. Very interested to see what happens. It has to be improved before next season.

 

[RSeen]

I think Ryan has 5 more years left at 7

Avoid.

 

[Bleedred]

I would take Ryan at 5-5.5 other than that no way

Ryan at $5.5 million would be pretty fair, at least for now. He's still been a 50 something point guy the last few years (had 48 in 70 games in 13-14 but still on pace for 50+ over 82 games), but this year he's on pace for under 40 and lower than a half a point per game. I was about to say that while he isn't worth anywhere near $7 million, he would probably be our second best forward after Hall. His numbers this season don't look good at all though.

There is definitely some interesting options on D to be picked up. Very interested to see what happens. It has to be improved before next season.

Sadly, I think the offense does too. I don't think we're out of the woods yet on forward. Need to acquire someone that can push some guys down, or hope JQ comes up and has a great season and Zacha maybe has a real breakout next season.

I think the D will be better with just one addition of a top 2 guy. Just lower Lovejoy's 20+ minutes or jettison at least one of Moore or Lovejoy for next year.

 

[Emperoreddy]

Having to debate who should play 2LD between Moore/Auvitu shows how badly we need another guy on the left side.

LD should be our top priority TBH.

 

[NjDevsRR]

Having to debate who should play 2LD between Moore/Auvitu shows how badly we need another guy on the left side.

LD should be our top priority TBH.

Thats until Merrill is back so probably 3LD.

Greene Lovejoy
Merrill Severson
Moore/OV2 Santini

 

[dzubrus8]

Maybe Parenteau is being scratched because the team wants to have one of its top PKers in. Maybe Parenteau has a bad attitude, which is why he's been on 5 teams in 4 years. Maybe that's why he, as a 40-point scoring 33-year old, didn't get signed until preseason.

I'm a Kalinin fan, not enough to defend him to the death, but the possession stats lie. Parenteau starts 53% of his shifts in the offensive zone (offensive zone faceoffs or he changes when the team is in the OZ). Kalinin starts 29%, one of the lowest totals in the league (they deploy him as a defensive specialist). That will have a monumental effect on Corsi, explaining at least the 8 points that separate them. If Hynes is looking for a 4th line that can suppress shots, he should trust Kalinin 10 times out of 10 over Parenteau.

There are two sides to every story. Until Hynes explains why he would bench some guys over others, it's silly to speculate to such an extreme.

 

[NJDevs26]

Moore makes a lot of mistakes, but he doesn't get walked around on a regular basis. Auvitu gets a lot of shots off, but I still have nightmares about how many odd man rushes we were allowing early in the year.

Eh I think they're both about the same defensively, but Moore's actually been far more productive offensively (13 points in 37 games compared to 4 in 25) which is supposedly Auvitu's strength.

 

[Baemon Severson*]

Maybe Parenteau is being scratched because the team wants to have one of its top PKers in. Maybe Parenteau has a bad attitude, which is why he's been on 5 teams in 4 years. Maybe that's why he, as a 40-point scoring 33-year old, didn't get signed until preseason.

I'm a Kalinin fan, not enough to defend him to the death, but the possession stats lie. Parenteau starts 53% of his shifts in the offensive zone (offensive zone faceoffs or he changes when the team is in the OZ). Kalinin starts 29%, one of the lowest totals in the league (they deploy him as a defensive specialist). That will have a monumental effect on Corsi, explaining at least the 8 points that separate them. If Hynes is looking for a 4th line that can suppress shots, he should trust Kalinin 10 times out of 10 over Parenteau.

There are two sides to every story. Until Hynes explains why he would bench some guys over others, it's silly to speculate to such an extreme.

Oh please. There is no way PAP should get scratched for someone who provides as little as Kalinin does.

 

[devilsblood]

As far as defensive short comings go, I feel Moore makes more boneheaded plays while Frenchy just get's beat physically.

I'd probably lean towards Frenchy as a preference, but I understand that contract situations play into it. I'm ok with OV2 currently getting substantial playing time in Albany.

 

[devilsblood]

Oh please. There is no way PAP should get scratched for someone who provides as little as Kalinin does.

Pap is a guy who Hynes has pushed buttons with. I think his natural tempo is not at the speed Hynes wants, and thus Hynes needs to light a fire under his arse from time to time to keep him pushing hard.

I also think Kalinin does provide some of those intangibles you like to see out of your 4th line guys. Including PK ability, responsible defensive play, aggressive play and physicality.

I'm not advocating hard for Kalinin, but as a 4th liner, I can certainly see it.

 

[Jets012]

Moore has been productive thus far which is why I like him over Lovejoy.(nothing in his career actually leads me to believe that's sustainable.) On face value, it looks very likely watching both play that Auvitu would outscore Moore over a large sample size.

But even if you don't believe in possession at all, Auvitu is first on the team amongst defenseman while Moore is last. They have drastically different corsi numbers. It's a no brainer to me Auvitu should be the one up. We've seen Moore struggle for years now on this team.

 

[HenriquesJawLine]

Moore has been productive thus far which is why I like him over Lovejoy.(nothing in his career actually leads me to believe that's sustainable.) On face value, it looks very likely watching both play that Auvitu would outscore Moore over a large sample size.

But even if you don't believe in possession at all, Auvitu is first on the team amongst defenseman while Moore is last. They have drastically different corsi numbers. It's a no brainer to me Auvitu should be the one up. We've seen Moore struggle for years now on this team.

Auvitu does that with close to 70% offensive zone starts in sheltered minutes and still hasn't produced enough offense to make up for his defense. There has been nothing to suggest he would out score Moore. You see what you want to see.

 

[Triumph]

Auvitu does that with close to 70% offensive zone starts in sheltered minutes and still hasn't produced enough offense to make up for his defense. There has been nothing to suggest he would out score Moore. You see what you want to see.

Besides the fact that Auvitu has one of the best shot rates of any defenseman in the NHL and AHL, sure, there's nothing.

 

[Bleedred]

Oh please. There is no way PAP should get scratched for someone who provides as little as Kalinin does.

This

And Kalinin isn't very good defensively. That belief needs to die, but our head coach doesn't even see it, so I can understand why some fans don't.

Anything good that Kalinin does, can also be brought by Mike Sislo and maybe even Stephen Gionta.