Prospect Info: Detroit Red Wings Prospect Rankings (#4)
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While I do like Pulkkinen, I can't see why he is getting votes over SHeahan, Jarnkrok and the defenseman
Yeah he should be behind Sheahan, Jarnkrok, Ouellet, Sproul, Backman, and maybe Marchenko imo
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Not that I think Marchenko should necessarily be in the discussion for #4, but I just don't see much separation between him and Ouellet (which I guess means I don't think Ouellet should necessarily be in the discussion either). I really like both, but I have Marchenko a tick higher, I think he has a little more upside.
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Really?
Very interesting to me. Always thought Ouellet was a bit underrated on here and would become a solid two-way D that can eat minutes. Throw in the fact that he has leadership intangibles and has been captain, and there is a lot to like.
I will say that when I have seen Grand Rapids games live this year, Marchenko has impressed me more than any other D. But I have a hard time seeing how he fits into the Wings long-term plans? It's a bit odd to me he's not getting a chance on the PP with the Wings, given how bad we need a big, mobile, RH shot to patrol the point on the PP. I think if given Kindl or Lashoff's minutes he'd prove to be an upgrade in no time.
I like Marchenko over Ouellet now, but I definitely think in 3-5 years Ouellet will be the better player. I could be wrong, that's just a hunch.
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Really? It's concerning to you that he didn't get PP time during his one and only game in the NHL?
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No, more that they don't look at him as an option to call up and give a trial in that spot to.
It's a clear problem. Weak shots from the point, and no RH shooter on the 2nd unit.
Marchenko could help both problems.
"Concerning" was not the right word, by the way. Confusing might be the better one lol.
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Very interesting to me. Always thought Marchenko was a bit underrated on here and would become a solid two-way D that can eat minutes. Throw in the fact that he has leadership intangibles and has been captain, and there is a lot to like.
Sorry, just wanted to illustrate the fact that the two are very similar, and I think those things can be said about both. Each are reputed leaders, hard workers, two-way puck movers, and good in their own zone. Injuries derailed Marchenko's career, but I put him a a hair above Ouellet because he's a little bigger, a little more mobile, and, though I think it's often over-rated and really just a minor thing, he's right-handed.
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Just curious, but what is the difference between the two that makes it appear Ouellet is in the Wings' long-term plans but Marchenko isn't? Ouellet has been talked about more over the years, but I think that's more a function of playing in NA and staying healthy (unlike Marchenko) than anything else.
All part of the fun in making these rankings/predictions/projections
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I honestly believe Marchenko will end up being an all star defenseman in the NHL and he will end up being the best out of all our prospects.
Now this is tough:
Sheahan is the safest and already appears NHL ready, but Jarnkrok has the higher ceiling IMO.
I have a hard time picking between them, and then you have the 3-4 blueliners to take into consideration.
Marchenko and Ouellet seem very similar in 2-way ability and strong likelihood of being NHL players, but Sproul has the best tools and highest upside, while also being the least polished.
Then there's the 1 defenceman I've not seen much of in Backman who seemingly could end up right in that mix of defenseman.
I'll go with Jarnkrok on a gut feeling, but wouldn't be surprised if any of those I've mentioned end up with the best career.
Watch Janmark become to best of the bunch in a few years.
Sheahan is the safest and already appears NHL ready, but Jarnkrok has the higher ceiling IMO.
I have a hard time picking between them, and then you have the 3-4 blueliners to take into consideration.
Marchenko and Ouellet seem very similar in 2-way ability and strong likelihood of being NHL players, but Sproul has the best tools and highest upside, while also being the least polished.
Then there's the 1 defenceman I've not seen much of in Backman who seemingly could end up right in that mix of defenseman.
I'll go with Jarnkrok on a gut feeling, but wouldn't be surprised if any of those I've mentioned end up with the best career.
Watch Janmark become to best of the bunch in a few years.
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It's a short stint, but I'm really not even looking at his numbers right now. It's more about how he plays. He doesn't look out of place at all. He makes excellent passes, he skates fast, had some nice hands, good vision, and we've seen that wrister a few times and they've been beautiful.
If he puts in the effort, I don't see why that couldn't continue. The numbers are just a bonus (plus he's playing with a couple of pretty decent players.)
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Very interesting to me. Always thought Marchenko was a bit underrated on here and would become a solid two-way D that can eat minutes. Throw in the fact that he has leadership intangibles and has been captain, and there is a lot to like.
Sorry, just wanted to illustrate the fact that the two are very similar, and I think those things can be said about both. Each are reputed leaders, hard workers, two-way puck movers, and good in their own zone. Injuries derailed Marchenko's career, but I put him a a hair above Ouellet because he's a little bigger, a little more mobile, and, though I think it's often over-rated and really just a minor thing, he's right-handed.
Oh, you'll be wrong
Just curious, but what is the difference between the two that makes it appear Ouellet is in the Wings' long-term plans but Marchenko isn't? Ouellet has been talked about more over the years, but I think that's more a function of playing in NA and staying healthy (unlike Marchenko) than anything else.
All part of the fun in making these rankings/predictions/projections
Honestly, it definitely could be some NA bias. Especially since I've never really seen Marchenko play prior to this year.
I've always thought of both as two way d men. In my eyes Marchenko has the physical edge. But Ouellet has the mental edge. Thinks the game better, sees the game better, better hockey IQ.
Typically, I prefer the latter.
But again I may not have the best read on Marchenko, that's just how I see it at the moment.
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The pass that he made on that Jurco goal in the Tampa game completely sold me on him. That's the type of play that gets me excited about hockey. Recognized a mistake in the defense and quickly made the pass before anyone on the other team even realized they messed up.
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The pass that he made on that Jurco goal in the Tampa game completely sold me on him. That's the type of play that gets me excited about hockey. Recognized a mistake in the defense and quickly made the pass before anyone on the other team even realized they messed up.
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I think the Marchenko hype is way, way over the top. He's good, but let's dial it back a bit to what he's shown so far.
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I liked him when he was still in Russia and in a lot of ways his game is better suited to NA. What he has shown so far is he is the best D-man on Grand Rapids.
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Yeah, exactly. There's just a bit of a gap between best defenseman in GR and best prospect/future all star.
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I am not the one who said that, but Marchenko has a lot of tools, he in fact might be our best D-man prospect. I think Sproul's involvement in the pool impacts how some people look at some of the other guys around, guys that are actually much farther along and not mostly potential at this point in time. Ouellet, Marchenko and Backman have a lot going on in their game and certainly could project as all very good D-man, Marchenko probably has the most offensive upside of that grouping of three. Guy was a PP specialist but had limited ice time at times in Russia really confusingly when you would watch him play. But he didn't look out of place with Radulov, Datsyuk and Grabo, even helped open up the zone a lot and is very slick with the puck.
Marchenko has a lot going on in his game and has even before he crossed the pond this season for those that turn on the overseas games to find out about some of these guys. I think the smaller surface brings out his physical nature even more.
I think Ouellet vs Sproul is interesting. Factoring in where they're at now, potential, probablity of hitting potential, opinion, prediction of career, etc. Obviously to me Sproul has the higher upside, but getting there is a whole a different animal. Ouellet is further at this point, should hit the NHL sooner, and while not having Sproul's upside, has fantastic potential himself.
I agree about Marchenko. He's the best kid in Grand Rapids at the moment. Future NHL'er, but out of the three, I'm not sure if I see him being the best.
I agree about Marchenko. He's the best kid in Grand Rapids at the moment. Future NHL'er, but out of the three, I'm not sure if I see him being the best.
I tried to make the case for Ironhook, but couldn't and went with Sheahan. The former can clearly do more with the puck than the later, but I am worried about his seeming inability to create space for himself on the NA rink. I also wish he showed a little more quickness in his first couple of strides.
I think we will get more than our money's worth out of Riley.
I think we will get more than our money's worth out of Riley.
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