Confirmed with Link: Deryk Engelland - 3 year deal worth $2.9M AAV

[CraigsList]

I've learned to just live with the contract since we will most likely be contending for a playoff spot right after his 3 year contract and the cap space to do this move. I don't think we'd extend him unless he blows our socks off.

 

[Volica]

I've learned to just live with the contract since we will most likely be contending for a playoff spot right after his 3 year contract and the cap space to do this move. I don't think we'd extend him unless he blows our socks off.

He'll be 35; unless he totally impresses us as the be-all-end-all bottom pairing Dman in the entire NHL; I don't see a reason to keep him around.

 

[Ynnek]

I don't know much about this guy so its a wait and see scenario for me.

This was my initial thought on the signing. Since Gio has gone down I think this has been a great signing for us. Was interesting reading eveyone's thoughts when this happened.

 

[CraigsList]

I've learned to just live with the contract since we will most likely be contending for a playoff spot right after his 3 year contract and the cap space to do this move. I don't think we'd extend him unless he blows our socks off.

... Or in the 2nd round of the playoffs this year . And without Giordano.

 

[Ynnek]

... Or in the 2nd round of the playoffs this year . And without Giordano.

That's awesome to be wrong about

 

[Fig]

Always thought it was an ok deal. Defense, Right wing if needed, Sandpaper/enforcer... that's how I saw it at the time and he could averagely slot in all of those roles if needed. But wow... he's made his salary and more so far in the last few months IMO.

His scoring vs... was it the Stars and getting us the two points? and him eating up minutes after Gio went down.

He's proven me wrong.

 

[DCDM]

Always thought it was an ok deal. Defense, Right wing if needed, Sandpaper/enforcer... that's how I saw it at the time and he could averagely slot in all of those roles if needed. But wow... he's made his salary and more so far in the last few months IMO.

His scoring vs... was it the Stars and getting us the two points? and him eating up minutes after Gio went down.

He's proven me wrong.

He scored twice against Dallas but we lost in the shootout that game IIRC. Still, he's been really good.

 

[Fig]

He scored twice against Dallas but we lost in the shootout that game IIRC. Still, he's been really good.

Ah, my mistake then. But that one point was still huge.

 

[Lunatik]

I don't even have to look to know I defended it

 

[1989]

Unless the man scores the Cup-winning goal, one season does not a multi-year contract make.

I'll admit that he's surprised me and that he's definitely playing much better than I could have imagined. There's still 2 years to go on his contract which carries a 2.9m cap hit, which is a standard top-4 defenceman's salary. I do hope he can continue to provide that level of play.

I still don't like how much the Flames paid for him, UFA dollars or not. His previous contract with the Penguins only carried something like a 600k cap hit. Calgary should have been able to sign him for much less, something in the range of 1.5m.

Either way, I'd rather be complaining about only his contract as opposed to his contract AND his level of play.

And more than anything, I'm thankful that Hartley is an absolute wizard with defencemen. It's one thing to brag about elevating/returning Bouwmeester to his previous form in Florida, or helping already naturally-talented players in Giordano and Brodie. But when his system and coaching can bring out the best in lesser players like "waiver fodder" Schlemko or 33-year old Engelland, you know he's for real.

 

[CraigsList]

Unless the man scores the Cup-winning goal, one season does not a multi-year contract make.

I'll admit that he's surprised me and that he's definitely playing much better than I could have imagined. There's still 2 years to go on his contract which carries a 2.9m cap hit, which is a standard top-4 defenceman's salary. I do hope he can continue to provide that level of play.

I still don't like how much the Flames paid for him, UFA dollars or not. His previous contract with the Penguins only carried something like a 600k cap hit. Calgary should have been able to sign him for much less, something in the range of 1.5m.

Either way, I'd rather be complaining about only his contract as opposed to his contract AND his level of play.

The Flames were trying to sign Engelland for that. But, I think there were 1 or 2 other teams in a bidding war for him, so because we had the cap space, we overpaid for Engelland to ensure that we would get him. I'm pretty happy we did that too, because Engelland has surprisingly been earning every $ of that.

He doesn't even need to score the cup winning goal or a GWG like Stajan did last night. He stepped in a top 4 role when Giordano went down and look where we are now.

 

[Unlimited Chequing]

Then where is my pocket dawg money going?

Well, as usual, I've offered very little in terms of in-depth value in the conversation

 

[Lunatik]

Well, as usual, I've offered very little in terms of in-depth value in the conversation

it's more than you offer now

 

[Pirate King Luffy]

The Flames were trying to sign Engelland for that. But, I think there were 1 or 2 other teams in a bidding war for him, so because we had the cap space, we overpaid for Engelland to ensure that we would get him. I'm pretty happy we did that too, because Engelland has surprisingly been earning every $ of that.

He doesn't even need to score the cup winning goal or a GWG like Stajan did last night. He stepped in a top 4 role when Giordano went down and look where we are now.

Well, to be fair who else could step in that role? We had no choice to use him there. Lmao, it was either him, Diaz, Schlemko, or Potter. Smid was injured, and we know about Gio. I still don't think it justifies the signing. Sure he played alright, but mostly due to TJ Brodie. Still, he has stepped up though.

 

[Unlimited Chequing]

it's more than you offer now

My posts are like stool samples: the key is consistency.

And sometimes they're a little corny.

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

When we signed Cory Sarich, he signed a 5 year deal carrying a 3.6 million dollar cap hit. With how the cap has gone up in recent years, that's probably the equivalent to a 4.5 million dollar cap hit now. The Engelland to Sarich comparison is a pretty good one IMO, the main difference being that Sarich played in our top 4 consistently for the first 3 years of that deal. The final 2 he was in and out of the lineup. But Sarich is a guy who provides next to no offence. He is a bigger guy and physical guy that can hit and clear the crease and also drop the gloves when needed. Engelland is actually a better skater than Sarich, and has shown that he is capable of playing in our top 4.

If I'm being completely honest, prime Cory Sarich was a slightly higher quality defenceman, but not by a lot. I think Engelland is overpaid, but considering how he plays and for what he contributes, I have no problems with him being on the Flames.

 

[Lunatik]

Bruce Arthur @bruce_arthur · 10m
In fairness to Calgary, you can never have too many guys around who can keep John Tortorella from getting into your dressing room

this was the post of the thread.

well you still have Burrows, so you do having a biting chance

or maybe this was, man I nailed that Burrows joke

Who cares though? In order to lower the cap hit you have to add term and/or a NTC/NMC.

Say Engelland is worth 1.5 million, which I believe is pretty accurate.
Add 500k due to him being a UFA
Add 500k for signing 3 years or less
Add 500k for being a crappy team

it's really that simple.

I say I was 100% bang on here.

Engelland has already shown himself to be better than a #7 on a good team. But the rest of your post is quite accurate. Although from listening to Aaron Ward and some Penguin fans we might be shocked (mostly due to lowered expectations) at how solid he is defensively and on the PK

I think I was right here too.

 

[Bouma Fett*]

I liked Sarich, mostly cause one of my best friends babysat for him and his wife. They paid her extremely well. Very generously. Enough that it was her only job lol

 

[dathockeydoe]

I've learned to just live with the contract since we will most likely be contending for a playoff spot right after his 3 year contract and the cap space to do this move. I don't think we'd extend him unless he blows our socks off.

Two more years of possible Engelland playoff action!! Oh baby. Oh baby.

 

[Gritty]

Originally Posted by 100 Third Graders View Post
Who cares though? In order to lower the cap hit you have to add term and/or a NTC/NMC.

Say Engelland is worth 1.5 million, which I believe is pretty accurate.
Add 500k due to him being a UFA
Add 500k for signing 3 years or less
Add 500k for being a crappy team

it's really that simple.

this was the post of the thread.

I say I was 100% bang on here.

Actually, you weren't 100% bang on! Let me fix it:

Say Engelland is worth 1.5 million, which I believe is pretty accurate.
Add 500k due to him being a UFA
Add 500k for signing 3 years or less
Add 400k for being a crappy team

You were off by 100k! Amateur

 

[Lunatik]

Originally Posted by 100 Third Graders View Post
Who cares though? In order to lower the cap hit you have to add term and/or a NTC/NMC.

Say Engelland is worth 1.5 million, which I believe is pretty accurate.
Add 500k due to him being a UFA
Add 500k for signing 3 years or less
Add 500k for being a crappy team

it's really that simple.



Actually, you weren't 100% bang on! Let me fix it:

Say Engelland is worth 1.5 million, which I believe is pretty accurate.
Add 500k due to him being a UFA
Add 500k for signing 3 years or less
Add 400k for being a crappy team

You were off by 100k! Amateur

close enough

 

[Wheels of Poirier]

My posts are like stool samples: the key is consistency.

And sometimes they're a little corny.

 

[Yung Rotini]

This is a terrible signing. Engelland has not played like a defenseman that should be making almost 3 million dollars.

Well I guess the signing was OKAY

 

[MonaHan Solo]

I didn't like Engelland at first, but now I do.

 

[DFF]

Year 1: check

He earned it.