Derek Ryan spears Nils Hoglander in the nuts, how is this not a 5 minute major penalty for attempt to injure?

[Oilslick941611]

When has spears in the nuts become a non issue?

The play before is irrelevant when it comes to the penalty for Ryan. Its a 5 on Ryan and a 2 on Hoglander.

Any other call is a mockery of the game and the actual rules the refs are supposed to rule by!

The refs simply need to make calls when they happen. The play should have been dead before the nut shot. However, as usual, the refs miss a call and the players take it in their own hands and someone nearly gets hurt. Its a tail as old time.

Yes, Ryan shouldn't have done that, the refs lost control night.

 

[McHelpus]

Thats a penalty, 2 minutes for Embellishment.

 

[Oilslick941611]

No, Ryan moves his upwards into the groin of Hoglander. He would not have gotten the hit on the nuts without moving the blade of the stick upwards into the private area of Hoglander. That is not a slash! If thats not spearing with the blade then spearing with the blade does not exist and its in the rules, so it does exist!

Nevertheless if you on purpose go after someones nuts from behind in a cowardly manner then its a textbook 5 minute major, could be seen as attempt to injure and put a game misconduct on top of that!

Spearing is a horizontal motion.

 

[Dessloch]

Spearing is a horizontal motion.

We could probably debate whether its spearing or not all day is not clearly defined in the rules.

Even if it was slashing it should have been a 5 minutes major + game misconduct for attempt to injure.

As per the ruling yesterday, its no different to mistakenly slash a players on the leg or deliberately go after someones nuts, and thats just lunacy on behalf of the league.

 

[Oilslick941611]

We could probably debate whether its spearing or not all day is not clearly defined in the rules.

Even if it was slashing it should have been a 5 minutes major + game misconduct for attempt to injure.

As per the ruling yesterday, its no different to mistakenly slash a players on the leg or deliberately go after someones nuts, and thats just lunacy on behalf of the league.

no, but spearing can be 5 min major, slashing isn't.

 

[Navx94]

Looks clean to me. Pretty sure he lifted his stick on the other side but we just can’t see from this angle.

 

[Dessloch]

no, but spearing can be 5 min major, slashing isn't.

Quote me where in the rule it says slashing can never be a 5 minuter major even if its a deliberate intent to injure which going after someones nuts on purpose should always be seen as.

Also quote me where in the rules it stated spearing with the blade can only be a horizontal motion! We can continue this conversation after you pulled those quotes from the rules, thanks!

 

[BLONG7]

Just noted that if stuff like this can be done with little or no penalty/punishment why not just go berserk?

Surely this is a textbook 5 minute major + game misconduct.

Dirty..............no need at all.
He did get a penalty, so..........................but that stuff can lead to more crap.
Neither teams needs that going on. Jr B stuff.

 

[roon]

Embellishment - Hoglander doesn't have any nuts. Complete act.

 

[BLONG7]

Textbook spear using the blade as a spear in the groin, not that it matters. If you slash someone in the nuts on purpose that is a 5 minute game misconduct as well!

Hopefully they forget the rule book when some one destroys McDavid, perhaps thats the only way to make sure people care about cheap shots!

It was a garbage play.............by a 4th liner........Brutal.
Absolutely no need at all.

 

[pi314]

Maybe he tried to spear him in the nuts but he hit the crossbar.

I’ll show myself out now.

 

[Oilslick941611]

Quote me where in the rule it says slashing can never be a 5 minuter major even if its a deliberate intent to injure which going after someones nuts on purpose should always be seen as.

Also quote me where in the rules it stated spearing with the blade can only be a horizontal motion! We can continue this conversation after you pulled those quotes from the rules, thanks!

I don't need to quote you on anything. Im not arguing with you. you are set in your ways and see it one way and will never change your mind. Other posters have just what you ask me to. You just reply with me QUOTE ME.

I just interjected to say spearing is a horizontal motion. I can't help if you don't know or don't want to know the difference slashing and spearing.

Dirty..............no need at all.
He did get a penalty, so..........................but that stuff can lead to more crap.
Neither teams needs that going on. Jr B stuff.

yup. Refs need to keep control of the game better. When the refs let it all go the players take it in their own hands and people end up hurt. a penalty is a penalty it shouldn't matter if it's the playoffs or not.

 

[WatchfulElm]

I have to agree with the OP. It happened fast so I can understand if the refs missed it. But with the benefit of the replay, there's no excuse. Anytime you aim at the nuts, it should be a suspendable offense.

 

[BLONG7]

I don't need to quote you on anything. Im not arguing with you. you are set in your ways and see it one way and will never change your mind. Other posters have just what you ask me to. You just reply with me QUOTE ME.

I just interjected to say spearing is a horizontal motion. I can't help if you don't know or don't want to know the difference slashing and spearing.


yup. Refs need to keep control of the game better. When the refs let it all go the players take it in their own hands and people end up hurt. a penalty is a penalty it shouldn't matter if it's the playoffs or not.

The last thing anyone wants, is to see McD or Petterson get hurt in this manner.

 

[Norwegianoiler]

At least it has proved, though not conclusively, that Höglander has balls.

 

[Dust]

He'll likely get a fine. It was dirty and dumb, and he was penalized for it.

 

[Oilslick941611]

Crazy, you guys even cry about penalties the refs DID call.

I don't see anyone talking about Janmark having his head driven into the boards by Myers, but I've certainly seen at least 3 threads about the Canucks players "injustices"

 

[Mattb124]

Also quote me where in the rules it stated spearing with the blade can only be a horizontal motion! We can continue this conversation after you pulled those quotes from the rules, thanks!

The action of spearing is defined as a stabbing motion, which that was not. It was a slash, which is defined as a player swinging their stick at an opposing player.

 

[T REX]

refs were terrible in this game...NHL needs to do something about the soccer bs that has infected the league

 

[ThaDevilGirl]

One of the greatest hockey gifs

 

[TheUnusedCrayon]

Do you not understand what a stabbing motion is?

You're just describing a slash.

When called properly. 3 months ago. Same motion just one was from behind.

I'm sure that'll make a big difference and be the thing that separates the action for you though.

 

[TheNumber4]

Derek Ryan was cross checked in the ribs by Hoglander. Only reason he gave him that tap of a slash. He’s not a player that’s just going to get revenge for no reason.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

When called properly. 3 months ago. Same motion just one was from behind.

I'm sure that'll make a big difference and be the thing that separates the action for you though.

You notice the stabbing motion on that one?

They aren’t comparable

 

[TheUnusedCrayon]

You notice the stabbing motion on that one?

They aren’t comparable

Called it.

 

[Mr Kot]

Hoglander has no testicles so its fine.

damnit someone already made the joke