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Any defenceman with top 4 potential available in the 2nd or 3rd rounds? Mostly interested in physical defensive dman but any feedback on nice puck movers would be welcomed. Thanks.
Catcher.In.The.RyE said:Danny Syvret, its a wild pick... but can end in a very good pick...
West said:These three guy's are big and sound positional players Flatt is the only one with a real mean streak to him but I'd also say he also has the least up side. I think they're all good bets to be 5-6 defensemen and outside shots at 3-4.
Scott Jackson whl seatle
Adam MacQuid ohl sudbury
Dalyn Flatt whl sask
Michael Sauer whl portland - injured early in the year showed a really good alround game good bet to be a 3-4 D (very limited veiwing so a wild card, classic NJ pick IMO).
Dustin Kohn cal - Good skills and defensive game, little on the small side for the NHL game. Not the banger that your looking for though.
I asked a scout about Franson and was surprised to hear that he could sneak into the first day. If he falls down to the 6th round or so where I thought he could go, though, he could be a good pick.Kirk Pederson said:What about Cody Franson (VAN), Sean Zimmerman or Jason Lynch (both SPO)?
Well, hopefully late 2nd at least. I'd love to see the Canucks draft him, Mikkelson OR Sauer, although Jackson is the only one I think they have a shot at.monster_bertuzzi said:Greg, Jackson will go early 2nd round IMO.
monster_bertuzzi said:Greg, Jackson will go early 2nd round IMO.
Rabid Ranger said:I wonder where Nate Hagemo is going to go.......
Rogers went far too early in my opinion. Sure, he's big and he can skate, but his puckmoving is overrated, he has no physical game for a 6'6 guy, he is too easily pushed around, and he is dumb as a post with the puck in his own zone. Nothing but off the boards and out from Rogers.borro said:Why won't Jackson go late first ala Rogers and Fistric?
borro said:Why won't Jackson go late first ala Rogers and Fistric?
Just about to say the same thing. Seemed pretty impressive in the first round.monster_bertuzzi said:Jeff May
We agree on most points, but Jackson lacks a mean streak? This is an honest question, not sarcasm. I saw him only in the games in Vancouver, and he looked like a physical enough guy to me. He's not going out and killing people, but he's good at removing his man from the play and using his body and strength intelligently. I don't remember him backing away from anything (unlike Rogers), which is mean enough for me.MS said:Jackson doesn't really have much of a mean streak at all. Big, boring, positionally sound, sort of a Chris Therien type. I don't think he has a lot of upside - probably a 4-5 guy in pro if he makes it. Rogers and Fistric had much more dynamic aspects to their games (Fistric's physical game, Rogers' skating at his size) which gave them more upside in the eyes of scouts and snuck them into the first round. Fistric has progressed really nicely, Rogers has not and looks like a pretty awful pick right now. I guess first round wouldn't be out of the question for Jackson, but I wouldn't think it too likely.
There are a lot of WHL defenders who will go in rounds 2-4. Sauer, Jackson, Zimmerman, Kohn, and Flatt have already been mentioned. Mark Louis, who's 6'4 and progressed into a key role with an excellent Brandon team will also go fairly early. Dan Mercer of Spokane has a lot of raw tools (nice size, mean streak, good skill level) and hasn't really put his game together, but could still go on the first day of the draft. Bretton Stamler of Seattle is rated quite highly by CSB (#50) and had a nice offensive finish to the season ... would probably have accomplished more on another WHL team but is trapped at #5 on the depth chart on an awesome Seattle blueline.
Franson moves really well for a big guy, and has a pretty nice outlet pass, but plays a very timid game. I don't really know what to think of him - some games he looks smart and solid, and well worth a 3rd-4th round pick, and other games his coverage just looks woefully soft and I wonder if he has any hope.
Greg7 said:We agree on most points, but Jackson lacks a mean streak? This is an honest question, not sarcasm. I saw him only in the games in Vancouver, and he looked like a physical enough guy to me. He's not going out and killing people, but he's good at removing his man from the play and using his body and strength intelligently. I don't remember him backing away from anything (unlike Rogers), which is mean enough for me.
Greg7 said:Franson is a funny guy. He makes the most beautiful passes sometimes, other times he can't do anything but ice the puck on his first pass. He has an intriguing ability to get the puck on net and take very smart shots, which is, imo, his best offensive attribute. I would have liked to see him on the pp more, but with 6 defensemen who play the pp including one who plays basically a full 2 minutes every time it's tough to distribute the icetime. His speed and acceleration are what worry me most. He is good enough laterally, but sometimes he looks like he's got that piano on if he gets caught and has to chase a bit. His physical game I am confident will develop as he fills out and gains confidence.
steblick said:Excellent list West (sans Kohn). I'd add Geoff Killing of Belleville to this list though- very underrated totally defensive banger.