Dallas is a Paper Tiger

[Machinehead]

I disagree with that, the NHL playoff format is broken, because Vegas would probably beat the Rangers, Carolina, Boston, Toronto, Vancouver and Edmonton so it's not that Dallas is a paper tiger, its the fact that a team like Vegas was a wild card seed.

In the old format, Vegas would be the 8 seed.

While I'm not crazy about the format for different reasons, the real problem here is that the regular season is too long, it doesn't mean anything, and home ice doesn't mean anything.

Tampa was never that high of a seed when they went to three straight Finals. Teams are incentivized to take the regular season semi-off. Whether that's the LTIR business or otherwise.

That the seeding means nothing is more of a turn-off for me than the shenanigans with the cap. Teams wouldn't do shenanigans with the cap if they had to win games.

 

[avsfan9]

Yeah, let's just say if the Stars ever face the Leafs in the Cup Final, the Leafs will snap their drought quite easily.

2 teams the Stars can never beat it seems: Vegas & Toronto

You know damn well the leafs aren’t making it to the finals.

 

[Love]

This is just how the NHL playoffs is. Especially with the LTIR bullshit going on in the league.

The point is, pretty much any team CAN beat any other team. This is the way hockey is. It’s a sport that has a significant amount of luck involved compared to other sports. The regular season means very little and when two very good teams play each other it comes down to things like health, goaltending, and lucky bounces.

 

[smytty]

I disagree with that, the NHL playoff format is broken, because Vegas would probably beat the Rangers, Carolina, Boston, Toronto, Vancouver and Edmonton so it's not that Dallas is a paper tiger, its the fact that a team like Vegas was a wild card seed.

This isn't an issue with the playoff format, even with the old system where it would be 1V vs 8, they still play first round

 

[tfwnogf]

they useless, no wonder calgary wants to follow their model.

 

[JoVel]

Are you a billionaire?

I'm working on it, I'm only about a billion away.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Dallas could easily be up 2-0 in this series.

Both games have been close and Vegas is also good.

 

[newsportsfan123]

The losing team’s kind of is…

Yes, but it was more in regards to people saying that no team can beat Vegas.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Dallas has been dealt bad playoff match-up for many reasons. But when anyone in life is dealt bad hand, one can cry about and crawl into corner, or get to work beating it. That's what Dallas has to do or become another victim to unfavorable conditions.

Vegas was good to begin with, after being fed with silver spoon, to start franchise.

• But Vegas could not get over "Cup" hump even with gifted franchised roaster.
• So LTIR before trade deadline "strategy" was born by Vegas.
• Now 3 years straight yrs of Vegas abusing LTIR, to sign/trade franchise type players from other NHL teams.
• Has allowed Vegas, to load up come playoff time for 3 yrs straight.
• Vegas had to do this to get over "Cup" hump and now they're doing to stay there.
• Other teams that used LTIR and won a "Cup" had already won "Cup" without use of LTIR. Those NHL organizations proved their teams could win "Cup"without use of LTIR, and that carries more historical weight.
• LTIR is legit when used right, and not abused. Plus, more legit when player sit out whole season instead of right before trade deadline Especially if LTIR'ed player is superstar: that puts any team playoff chances at risk if other injuries take place, team doesn't play good without that star, etc.
• Vegas didn't build it, coach players up within farm system for years, then use those assets to make trades, or anything close to what some NHL teams have done/do.
• Vegas is similar to the spoiled brat, who's been fed silver spoon whole life. Now compared that to person who does it on own. Two different animals there, when weighting ones worth and how one got there. What's always a kicker and for a good laugh: is when a spoiled brat, who more than not, are clueless to what's up or to emotionally involved to see it. Act like they've done something special. Makes it difficult to respect what Vegas has done, but each their own...
• Some NHL fans will love what Vegas is doing, some will think is bush-league & cheap. Myself: pulled for Vegas since they came into NHL, and even was OK with 1st yr use of LTIR. But..... what has followed has tainted all that sadly. Vegas is nothing but bush-league now, but won't be 1st time in sports where bush-league gets ahead.
• Again, Dallas got dealt a bad hand for many reasons,, it happens in life.
• So one just has to deep deep and fight back!!!
• Dallas hasn't done this, that's on them and them alone....

Good luck Dallas, got a good team and ya did it mostly right....

This reads like a very long winded way of calling Vegas bush league and Tampa totally fine for doing the same thing with the same result.

 

[JKG33]

In the old format, Vegas would be the 8 seed.

While I'm not crazy about the format for different reasons, the real problem here is that the regular season is too long, it doesn't mean anything, and home ice doesn't mean anything.

Tampa was never that high of a seed when they went to three straight Finals. Teams are incentivized to take the regular season semi-off. Whether that's the LTIR business or otherwise.

That the seeding means nothing is more of a turn-off for me than the shenanigans with the cap. Teams wouldn't do shenanigans with the cap if they had to win games.

Yea in any format Dallas unfortunately plays Vegas.

But what doesn't happen is locking in the winner of this vs the winner of 2v4 on the same side of the bracket

 

[Machinehead]

Yea in any format Dallas unfortunately plays Vegas.

But what doesn't happen is locking in the winner of this vs the winner of 2v4 on the same side of the bracket

Don't disagree at all.

The first round lines up the same a lot more often than people think. The top seed vs WC2 is literally 1v8.

What this format does to the second round is why I hate it. I don't particularly wanna play Carolina again. We just did.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Pretty sure Dallas would slap OP's team around. So an interesting take

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

Dallas is the prototypical thing that I look for in a play-off team. They had the bad luck to draw Vegas in round 1 which is the big problem.

 

[JKG33]

Don't disagree at all.

The first round lines up the same a lot more often than people think. The top seed vs WC2 is literally 1v8.

What this format does to the second round is why I hate it. I don't particularly wanna play Carolina again. We just did.

The east stays the same sure, but in the west we've currently got 2v4 and 5v7 matchups in the 1st rd. Those happen every year in at least one conference.

But 100% I agree about the 2nd rd. And then there's often a team in the conference finals that probably doesn't belong, like Edmonton a few years ago and now whatever team comes outta the pac this year if Vancouver falls cause of goaltending

 

[MrHeiskanen]

Why do people make threads after 2 close games? People make the biggest deal out of tiny shit on these forums.

Dallas did not lose 8-1 and then 6-3.. IMO they matched Vegas in both games and lost. Vegas is a good team.

Let's relax on all these silly posts. "Dallas is not a playoff team" etc.. please dude explain the last 5 years then.

 

[Elysian]

They just won the West, they literally cannot be a paper tiger.

 

[Xirik]

@Pavel Buchnevich Can't post in his own thread?

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

" They are the hipster team "

WTF R U talking about?

Thank you!!

Do they skate around acting like they don't care telling everyone they started playing hockey before it was cool?

 

[winnipegger]

Vegas will lose in the second round which gives them plenty of time to plan their injured reserve shenanigans for next year.

 

[Peltz]

They are a good REGULAR SEASON team. They do not have an extra gear.

See the Leafs and Oilers.

Not sure why you're bringing the Oilers into this. They've had runs with this core and are tied in their series.

I can't believe that OP, a fellow Ranger fan, is calling a team down 2-0 a paper tiger when our team lost after being up 2-0 last year against the devils. It takes 4 wins to knock a team out dude.

Series ain't over.

 

[Peltz]

In the old format, Vegas would be the 8 seed.

While I'm not crazy about the format for different reasons, the real problem here is that the regular season is too long, it doesn't mean anything, and home ice doesn't mean anything.

Tampa was never that high of a seed when they went to three straight Finals. Teams are incentivized to take the regular season semi-off. Whether that's the LTIR business or otherwise.

That the seeding means nothing is more of a turn-off for me than the shenanigans with the cap. Teams wouldn't do shenanigans with the cap if they had to win games.

Home ice gets you last change. While that's a very small advantage, I wouldn't call it meaningless.

But I agree that regular season results never dictates what's going to happen in the playoffs. The game is different. Playing the same team for two weeks straight makes it completely different too. Upsets are more likely when an underdog can gameplan around a single opponent even if they are quote-unquote "more talented".

 

[CanadianHockey]

Vegas has two first lines and two first d pairings. Dallas is playing the toughest team in the west in round one. I'll agree though that Oettinger isn't quite up to par this year and his reputation doesn't match his level of play.

All that said last game was close... Wasn't like Dallas got blown out

 

[MBTendy]

" They are the hipster team "

WTF R U talking about?

Glad I’m not the only one who was thinking it.

 

[WaitingForThatCab]

Vegas has two first lines and two first d pairings. Dallas is playing the toughest team in the west in round one. I'll agree though that Oettinger isn't quite up to par this year and his reputation doesn't match his level of play.

All that said last game was close... Wasn't like Dallas got blown out

It wasn't a blowout, but I think Dallas is in serious trouble and in real danger of being swept if the team can't come up with some way to generate more offense. Logan Thompson has played well so far, but also hasn't been tested much.

 

[Hockey4Lyfe]

Maybe they should let them play against a team that isn’t $20 million over the cap?

It is what it is but for them to win the west and walk into Vegas when they were just getting “healthy”, is pretty f***ing ridiculous.

Sucks for their fans.