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Ovie should really be in there for the old guard.
That would make the question too easy.
As is, it’s a pretty good poll.
Ovie should really be in there for the old guard.
Scoring has been very high the last 3 yearsWell that is a pretty specific time period. I'm not sure the number distribution would necessarily go the way you suggest.
I have no numbers because I have not dove in but my understanding is that last season was when we saw a big jump. If that is accurate we need to look at some of the numbers the prior years.
The impression I have (and I could be totally wrong) is that a lot of the young forwards were already producing at extremely high levels. Where I noticed the most profound change was among dmen.
Crosby for example never exceeded 120 points after his sophomore peak in 06/07. McDavid had 116 point season 4 years ago so beating Crosby was going to happen. Matthews goal rate was also at a very high rate from his rookie season on.
You can't just say scoring was up because it's easier without pointing to changes on the game that account for it. The possibility does exist that the league is simply more talented.
It does strike me as possible goaltending is weaker but that's still a vague explanation.
This is I think based on the 2012 season which was OVs worst.That would make the question too easy.
As is, it’s a pretty good poll.
11-12 Malkin is arguably the best season by anyone post lockout. He's on par with McDavid and Crosby here. And at this point in his career Crosby was as good if not better offensively than McDavid considering the lower scoring era.
Crosby >= McDavid
Malkin > Draisaitl
Stamkos = Matthews
Giroux < MacKinnon
Karlsson = Makar
This is I think based on the 2012 season which was OVs worst.
That's why he isn't included
Otherwise the big 4 forwards for 2010-2018ish were
Crosby, OV, Geno, Stamkos and then EK as the D
Connor and friendsWhich group would you rather have for one season if everyone was healthy?
2011-12 Group Age GP G A PTS 2021-22 Group Age GP G A PTS Sidney Crosby 24 22 8 29 37 Connor McDavid 25 80 44 79 123 Evgeni Malkin 25 75 50 59 109 Leon Draisaitl 26 80 55 55 110 Steven Stamkos 21 82 60 37 97 Auston Matthews 24 73 60 46 106 Claude Giroux 24 77 28 65 93 Nathan MacKinnon 26 65 32 56 88 Erik Karlsson 21 81 19 59 78 Cale Makar 23 77 28 58 86
Stamkos tied Matthews for points in the 2022 year.
Is 2022 Stamkos better than 2012 Stamkos?
Or did scoring change dramatically?
another funny thing here is that hindsight is 20/20, and Giroux especially faded from the older group.
Someone of these young players will likely fade and not be considered an up and coming phenom in a few years. As it is also forgotten that Giroux that year was considered a two way guy with an incredible offensive ceiling… but hindsight showed that that was his ceiling or perhaps is even regarded as an anomaly.
Malkin's 11-12 and Sid's 13-14 are going to be overlooked historically due to their era. There are as many guys breaking 100 points in today's league as there were breaking 80 points in the DPE 2.0
Maybe it wasn’t harder to score, but that there are many more high quality scoring players now that make it appear that way?You guys are kidding yourselves by voting for the 2021 team. Total recency bias and inability to understand scoring was more difficult 10 years ago
And McD, Drai, and Matthews are winners?Stamkos and girioux are not winners. Stamkos only has 2 rings because of his teammates, one of the literal sense, the other of the other sense.
You can't just say scoring was up because it's easier without pointing to changes on the game that account for it. The possibility does exist that the league is simply more talented.