*Closed* 16 years of Champions Bracket [R1] - 3. DETROIT 2008 vs 14. ST. LOUIS 2019

[Tufted Titmouse]

TEAM COMPARISON

DETROIT 2008								ST. LOUIS 2019
Player	Age	Pos	GP	G	A	PTS		Player	Age	Pos	GP	G	A	PTS
Henrik Zetterberg	27	LW	22	13	14	27		Ryan O'Reilly	27	C	26	8	15	23
Pavel Datsyuk	29	C	22	10	13	23		Jaden Schwartz	26	C	26	12	8	20
Johan Franzén	28	C	16	13	5	18		Alex Pietrangelo	29	D	26	3	16	19
Niklas Kronwall	27	D	22	0	15	15		Vladimir Tarasenko	27	RW	26	11	6	17
Jiri Hudler	24	RW	22	5	9	14		David Perron	30	LW	26	7	9	16
Brian Rafalski	34	D	22	4	10	14		Tyler Bozak	32	C	26	5	8	13
Mikael Samuelsson	31	RW	22	5	8	13		Brayden Schenn	27	C	26	5	7	12
Nicklas Lidström*	37	D	22	3	10	13		Colton Parayko	25	D	26	2	10	12
Tomas Holmström	35	RW	21	4	8	12		Oskar Sundqvist	24	C	25	4	5	9
Valtteri Filppula	23	C	22	5	6	11		Vince Dunn	22	D	20	2	6	8
Brad Stuart	28	D	21	1	6	7		Pat Maroon	30	LW	26	3	4	7
Kris Draper	36	C	22	3	1	4		Joel Edmundson	25	D	22	1	6	7
Darren Helm	21	C	18	2	2	4		Jay Bouwmeester	35	D	26	0	7	7
Dallas Drake	38	RW	22	1	3	4		Ivan Barbashev	23	C	25	3	3	6
Dan Cleary	29	RW	22	2	1	3		Robert Thomas	19	C	21	1	5	6
Darren McCarty	35	RW	17	1	1	2		Alex Steen	34	C	26	2	3	5
Brett Lebda	26	D	19	0	2	2		Zach Sanford	24	LW	8	1	3	4
Mark Hartigan	30	C	4	0	1	1		Sammy Blais	22	LW	15	1	2	3
Andreas Lilja	32	D	12	0	1	1		Carl Gunnarsson	32	D	19	1	2	3
Kirk Maltby	35	LW	12	0	1	1		Robert Bortuzzo	29	D	17	2	0	2
Chris Chelios*	46	D	14	0	0	0		Robby Fabbri	23	C	10	1	0	1
Dominik Hasek*	43	G	4	0	0	0		Jordan Binnington	25	G	26	0	1	1
Chris Osgood	35	G	19	0	0	0		Jake Allen	28	G	1	0	0	0
Player	Age	GP	SV%	GAA	SO	Gs_above_avg_po		Player	Age	GP	SV%	GAA	SO	Gs_above_avg_po
Chris Osgood	35	19	0.93	1.55	3	6.9		Jordan Binnington	25	26	0.914	2.46	1	-2
Dominik Hasek*	43	4	0.888	2.91	0	-2.4		Jake Allen	28	1	0.75	2.45	0

Full bracket - Teams are seeded by Regular Season win%

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[JaegerDice]

DET 2008 are the best team of the cap era.

 

[Hatter of the Beach]

DET 2008 are the best team of the cap era.

As a Wings fan, I respectfully disagree. I think Tampa the past two years challenge them, this year’s Avalanche likely beat them, and the 2011 Hawks being in the same tier.

Deff in upper tier of post cap winners though. A lot of good teams over the years

 

[nbwingsfan]

Wings slaughter this STL team

 

[LightningStorm]

This would be a sweep.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

As a Wings fan, I respectfully disagree. I think Tampa the past two years challenge them, this year’s Avalanche likely beat them, and the 2011 Hawks being in the same tier.

Deff in upper tier of post cap winners though. A lot of good teams over the years

You think this year's Avs team beats the 2008 Wings? They just might face eachother in the Semis

 

[Hockeyholic]

As a Wings fan, I respectfully disagree. I think Tampa the past two years challenge them, this year’s Avalanche likely beat them, and the 2011 Hawks being in the same tier.

Deff in upper tier of post cap winners though. A lot of good teams over the years

This year's Avs definitely don't beat that Wings team. No chance.

2010 Hawks maybe.

 

[banks]

Voted StLouis. I saw that only one person so far voted for them. And, in the words of Bob Ross, everyone deserves a friend.

 

[Voight]

I think the 2019 Blues were a very deep team but this is just a mismatch for them.

 

[JaegerDice]

The STL 2019 champs are a bit underrated cause they lacked superstar power. But they're better than a lot of people give them credit for. I'd take them over a few of the teams in this bracket.... just not DET 2008.

 

[jigglysquishy]

Detroit 2008 is arguably the best team of the cap era.

 

[tarheelhockey]

The 2019 Blues are one of those teams which are a lot better on the ice than they are on paper. I will be saying this later about 2006 Carolina. Don't underestimate teams that won without a name-brand superstar. These are playoff-built teams that win on depth. You look at them and think "no chance" and then find yourself down 2-0 in the series wondering what the hell happened.

That being said, 2008 Detroit is not a team you worry about losing in that manner. It wouldn't be a sweep, but the Wings would take the series eventually.

 

[BraveCanadian]

Detroit

 

[JaegerDice]

The 2019 Blues are one of those teams which are a lot better on the ice than they are on paper. I will be saying this later about 2006 Carolina. Don't underestimate teams that won without a name-brand superstar. These are playoff-built teams that win on depth. You look at them and think "no chance" and then find yourself down 2-0 in the series wondering what the hell happened.

That being said, 2008 Detroit is not a team you worry about losing in that manner. It wouldn't be a sweep, but the Wings would take the series eventually.

Yep. There are a few teams in this bracket I take the 2006 Canes over. Including the 2019 Blues, actually.

Some of the teams with big star power were actually pretty mediocre compared to this field. I'm thinking 2011 Bruins, 2017 Penguins, 2018 Capitals, etc. Lots of big names, but the actual measured performance wasn't anything to write home about save an incredible performance here or there.

The 2006 Hurricanes are a bit 'weird' in that they were a team perfectly suited to a league that was being called a very specific way, cause they had so much damn speed and such a potent PP, and it was probably the one year that PPs actually got called a bunch in the playoffs.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Yep. There are a few teams in this bracket I take the 2006 Canes over. Including the 2019 Blues, actually.

Some of the teams with big star power were actually pretty mediocre compared to this field. I'm thinking 2011 Bruins, 2017 Penguins, 2018 Capitals, etc. Lots of big names, but the actual measured performance wasn't anything to write home about save an incredible performance here or there.

The 2006 Hurricanes are a bit 'weird' in that they were a team perfectly suited to a league that was being called a very specific way, cause they had so much damn speed and such a potent PP, and it was probably the one year that PPs actually got called a bunch in the playoffs.

I'm a little disappointed that they won't be up against the 11 Bruins. Because under 2006 rules, that series would have been one long 5-on-3 power play

 

[Satoru Gojo]

Easily RedWings

 

[ru4reals]

Wait St. Louis is a higher seed 14th, over the Kings 2012 Team? LOL. 2012 Kings would beat the St. Louis team in 5 or 6. But for this pole Wings for sure.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

Wait St. Louis is a higher seed 14th, over the Kings 2012 Team? LOL. 2012 Kings would beat the St. Louis team in 5 or 6. But for this pole Wings for sure.

Seedings are by reg season win %.

 

[stl76]

Voted StLouis. I saw that only one person so far voted for them. And, in the words of Bob Ross, everyone deserves a friend.

 

[newfy]

The 08 wings are a team that if advanced stats were tracked like they are now, they would likely be considered one of the most dominant teams ever. Not ahead of all time dynasty type teams, but I bet there hasnt been a team in history that played puck possession like that team top to bottom

 

[JaegerDice]

The 08 wings are a team that if advanced stats were tracked like they are now, they would likely be considered one of the most dominant teams ever. Not ahead of all time dynasty type teams, but I bet there hasnt been a team in history that played puck possession like that team top to bottom

Most advanced stats are based on on-ice events that WERE tracked back in 2008. You can pretty easily find xGF numbers for the 2008 Wings, along with Corsi and whatnot.

And yes, by the advanced metrics, they are one of the most dominant teams of the cap era. THE most dominant in many areas.