*Closed* 16 years of Champions Bracket [R1] - 1. CHICAGO 2013 vs. 16. LAK 2012

[Tufted Titmouse]

Pick which team you think would win in a 7 game series:

Playoff stats

2013 Blackhawks:

		Scoring			Goals	Assists			Ice Time
Rk	Player	Age	Pos	GP	G	A	PTS	+/-	PIM	EV	PP	SH	GW	EV	PP	SH	S	S%	TOI	ATOI
1	Patrick Kane	24	RW	23	9	10	19	7	8	9	0	0	2				88	10.2	481	20:56
2	Bryan Bickell	26	LW	23	9	8	17	11	14	8	1	0	2				49	18.4	353	15:22
3	Patrick Sharp	31	C	23	10	6	16	1	8	8	2	0	2				91	11.0	420	18:15
4	Marián Hossa*	34	RW	22	7	9	16	8	2	4	3	0	2				70	10.0	439	19:57
5	Jonathan Toews	24	C	23	3	11	14	9	18	2	1	0	0				70	4.3	496	21:33
6	Duncan Keith	29	D	22	2	11	13	10	18	2	0	0	0				51	3.9	608	27:37
7	Michal Handzus	35	C	23	3	8	11	7	6	2	0	1	0				17	17.6	369	16:03
8	Michael Frolik	24	C	23	3	7	10	1	6	2	0	1	1				46	6.5	303	13:09
9	Andrew Shaw	21	C	23	5	4	9	2	35	4	1	0	2				36	13.9	341	14:49
10	Johnny Oduya	31	D	23	3	5	8	12	16	3	0	0	1				30	10.0	523	22:45
11	Dave Bolland	26	C	18	3	3	6	-2	24	3	0	0	1				29	10.3	243	13:31
12	Brandon Saad	20	LW	23	1	5	6	-1	4	1	0	0	0				50	2.0	377	16:24
13	Marcus Kruger	22	C	23	3	2	5	-2	2	3	0	0	1				27	11.1	317	13:48
14	Niklas Hjalmarsson	25	D	23	0	5	5	10	4	0	0	0	0				12	0.0	535	23:15
15	Brent Seabrook	27	D	23	3	1	4	-1	4	3	0	0	2				39	7.7	531	23:05
16	Michal Rozsíval	34	D	23	0	4	4	9	16	0	0	0	0				14	0.0	443	19:16
17	Viktor Stalberg	27	LW	19	0	3	3	-1	6	0	0	0	0				27	0.0	201	10:35
18	Nick Leddy	21	D	23	0	2	2	-8	4	0	0	0	0				31	0.0	330	14:21
19	Daniel Carcillo	28	LW	4	0	1	1	2	6	0	0	0	0				3	0.0	27	6:41
20	Brandon Bollig	26	LW	5	0	0	0	-1	2	0	0	0	0				6	0.0	44	8:51
21	Sheldon Brookbank	32	D	1	0	0	0	-2	0	0	0	0	0				0		7	6:50
22	Corey Crawford	28	G	23	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0					0		1504	65:23
23	Ben Smith	24	RW	1	0	0	0	-1	0	0	0	0	0				1	0.0	10	10:23

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Rk	Player	Age	GP	GS	W	L	T/O	GA	SA	SV	SV%	GAA	SO	MIN	QS	QS%	RBS	Ga_pct_minus_po	Gs_above_avg_po
1	Corey Crawford	28	23	23	16	7		46	674	628	.932	1.84	1	1504	19	.826	1	88

VS

LAK 2012

		Scoring			Goals	Assists			Ice Time
Rk	Player	Age	Pos	GP	G	A	PTS	+/-	PIM	EV	PP	SH	GW	EV	PP	SH	S	S%	TOI	ATOI
1	Dustin Brown	27	RW	20	8	12	20	16	34	5	1	2	3				59	13.6	415	20:44
2	Anze Kopitar	24	C	20	8	12	20	16	9	6	0	2	1				56	14.3	441	22:03
3	Drew Doughty	22	D	20	4	12	16	11	14	3	1	0	0				44	9.1	523	26:09
4	Mike Richards	26	C	20	4	11	15	1	17	2	2	0	1				41	9.8	390	19:31
5	Justin Williams	30	RW	20	4	11	15	8	12	3	1	0	0				58	6.9	368	18:24
6	Jeff Carter	27	C	20	8	5	13	0	4	4	4	0	3				54	14.8	361	18:02
7	Dustin Penner	29	RW	20	3	8	11	4	32	3	0	0	2				37	8.1	265	13:14
8	Trevor Lewis	25	C	20	3	6	9	7	2	2	1	0	0				37	8.1	298	14:54
9	Dwight King	22	LW	20	5	3	8	3	13	5	0	0	2				33	15.2	258	12:54
10	Matt Greene	28	D	20	2	4	6	9	12	1	0	1	1				17	11.8	322	16:06
11	Jarret Stoll	29	C	20	2	3	5	5	18	1	1	0	2				33	6.1	342	17:06
12	Alec Martinez	24	D	20	1	2	3	5	8	1	0	0	1				24	4.2	289	14:28
13	Willie Mitchell	34	D	20	1	2	3	7	16	0	1	0	0				30	3.3	506	25:19
14	Slava Voynov	22	D	20	1	2	3	1	4	1	0	0	0				28	3.6	391	19:32
15	Colin Fraser	27	C	18	1	1	2	-1	4	1	0	0	0				16	6.3	154	8:34
16	Jordan Nolan	22	C	20	1	1	2	1	21	1	0	0	0				13	7.7	146	7:17
17	Brad Richardson	26	RW	13	1	0	1	0	4	1	0	0	0				13	7.7	112	8:35
18	Rob Scuderi	33	D	20	0	1	1	9	4	0	0	0	0				11	0.0	435	21:44
19	Kyle Clifford	21	LW	3	0	0	0	-1	2	0	0	0	0				2	0.0	15	5:01
20	Simon Gagne	31	LW	4	0	0	0	-1	2	0	0	0	0				5	0.0	32	8:04
21	Andrei Loktionov	21	C	2	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0				0		8	4:09
22	Jonathan Quick	26	G	20	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0					0		1238	6

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k	Player	Age	GP	GS	W	L	T/O	GA	SA	SV	SV%	GAA	SO	MIN	QS	QS%	RBS	Ga_pct_minus_po	Gs_above_avg_po
1	Jonathan Quick	26	20	20	16	4		29	538	509	.946	1.41	3	1238	17	.850	0	69	13.3

Full bracket - Teams are seeded by Regular Season win%

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[JaegerDice]

Close, but Chicago takes it. They beat essentially the same roster in 2013, and are a much tougher out than any of the teams the 2012 Kings murdered on the way to their cup.

In terms of raw talent, I think the 2014 Kings were the better of the two cup winning Kings rosters. That team just had more depth, more speed, and they beat MUCH tougher opposition. Arguably the toughest road to a cup in the cap era.

 

[LightningStorm]

Close, but Chicago takes it. They beat essentially the same roster in 2013, and are a much tougher out than any of the teams the 2012 Kings murdered on the way to their cup.

In terms of raw talent, I think the 2014 Kings were the better of the two cup winning Kings rosters. That team just had more depth, more speed, and they beat MUCH tougher opposition. Arguably the toughest road to a cup in the cap era.

Pretty much this. To add on, the Blackhawks also beat a Bruins team that at their best also belonged in the same conversation as the multi cup winning Hawks, Kings and Pens of that era.

 

[bobholly39]

50/50?

they literally played and won/lost in those years, could go either way. Voted Chicago though

 

[banks]

I wish the poll results were closer, because this really isn't an easy choice. But I went with Chicago.

 

[thesaadfather]

I definitely take Chicago, that 2013 team was just so good. But it would be a battle for sure. The 2014 WCF is the best playoff series I've ever seen.

 

[Forgot About Drai]

Small but distinct gap - Chicago.

 

[tarheelhockey]

The way they torched the playoffs, the 2012 Kings would have been poised to upset a lot of teams in the bracket. Too bad they got stacked against this Hawks team which was an absolute wagon and a strong contender to win the tourney.

 

[Satoru Gojo]

Surprised to see this so one sided, did you all sleep through the 2012 playoffs

That Kings team coasted through 4 rounds, it's close but I'm taking them

 

[thesaadfather]

Surprised to see this so one sided, did you all sleep through the 2012 playoffs

That Kings team coasted through 4 rounds, it's close but I'm taking them

Not really that surprising. We saw about as close as you can get to this matchup in the 2013 Conference Finals, and Chicago won in 5. Combine that with the fact that LA was mediocre in the regular season and got hot in the playoffs, and Chicago massacred the 2013 regular season (albeit shortened), it’s clear why people think there’s a difference. That said, it is a pretty small one, just distinct based on what we have to look at. If someone gets hot in a 7 game series, who knows what happens?

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

The way they torched the playoffs, the 2012 Kings would have been poised to upset a lot of teams in the bracket. Too bad they got stacked against this Hawks team which was an absolute wagon and a strong contender to win the tourney.

LA got unlucky in the seedings:

Chi 2013 vs LAK 2012

and

Chi 2010 vs LAK 2014

This is just a result of winning the Cup two years where their regular season win% was not very high, 13th and 16th out of 16 champs.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

2013 Chicago is arguably the best post lockout Cup winner

 

[JKG33]

I feel like a much better seeding for this format is playoff win%

 

[JaegerDice]

I feel like a much better seeding for this format is playoff win%

I wouldnt have a problem with it, but there would be a bunch of ties. Lots of clusters of teams in the tourney with the same playoff record.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

Regular season win% has turned out well considering every higher seed has won so far in R1. I think it may also show that our perception of great teams is reinforced by how much they dominate in the regular season. Should be some very good odds for upsets in the Quarterfinals, though. Chi 2013 vs TBay 2020 will be a good one. Det 2008 vs Ana 2007 will also be interesting.

No upsets in R1 yet but Pitt 2017 vs Chi 2015 might be our first.

 

[Nasti]

Not really that surprising. We saw about as close as you can get to this matchup in the 2013 Conference Finals, and Chicago won in 5. Combine that with the fact that LA was mediocre in the regular season and got hot in the playoffs, and Chicago massacred the 2013 regular season (albeit shortened), it’s clear why people think there’s a difference. That said, it is a pretty small one, just distinct based on what we have to look at. If someone gets hot in a 7 game series, who knows what happens?

Counter argument: the Kings in 2013 were banged up pretty badly and not playing close to the same level they played in 2012, a shortened season is not as much of a grind so less impressive to win the cup IMO, and the Hawks almost lost to a mediocre Red Wings team which I think the 2012 Kings would have destroyed.