Confirmed with Link: Chuck Fletcher out as GM, Danny Briere goes from assistant to the regional manager to interim president/GM

[deadhead]

Water under the bridge. The organizational has been dysfunctional for a decade, ever since Holmgren refused to rebuild after the Carter/Richards trades. They simply refused to recognize the lack of talent.

GF/GA (normalizing goalie Sv% to league average - focusing on the team strength and weakness)
2012-13: 132/125
2013-14: 233/222
2014-15: 212/221
2015-16: 211/228
2016-17: 212/210
2017-18: 249/227
2018-19: 241/253
2019-20: 227/187 69 games, prorate: 270/222
2020-21: 160/159 56 games, prorate: 234/233
2021-22: 210/272

Fletcher and AV did turn the team around, and if COVID doesn't happen, I think they might have been able to sustain it for another season - but that 2019-20 team had a short window:

By TOI:
F: Couts (27), G (32), Hayes (27), Voracek (30), TK (22), JVR (30), Laughton (25), Farabee (19), Raffl (31), Pitlick (28), NAK (23), Frost (20)
D: Provorov (23), Niskanen (33), Sanheim (23), Ghost (26), Braun (32), Myers (23), Hagg (24)
Notice no prospects would arrive until 2022-23 [Frost, Cates, Allison, York]

Even if Fletcher makes no changes, by 2021-22, this becomes a bad team, some due to bad luck, some due to age. Without replacements in the system, it would have taken trading multiple 1sts for this team to make the playoffs, much less compete for a Cup. As the ED showed, Ghost, Voracek and JVR had zero trade value.

 

[Beef Invictus]

yeah he slammed in in that minute an a half interview. Poor Ronald.

Hopefully they hire Ronald back as an advisor when he is canned after their season. They are going to need a new era of advisors.

What 4 new advisors should replace the old ones?


Not sure why it is hard to believe he overruled the scouts. GM's do it all the time. Ronald did. Time to move on from it.

Here is a funny story, when the flyers drafted McLoughlin, Fletcher had no idea who he was..

You're in strawman mode, so that tells me you're just intent on wasting time for attention.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Water under the bridge. The organizational has been dysfunctional for a decade, ever since Holmgren refused to rebuild after the Carter/Richards trades. They simply refused to recognize the lack of talent.

GF/GA (normalizing goalie Sv% to league average - focusing on the team strength and weakness)
2012-13: 132/125
2013-14: 233/222
2014-15: 212/221
2015-16: 211/228
2016-17: 212/210
2017-18: 249/227
2018-19: 241/253
2019-20: 227/187 69 games, prorate: 270/222
2020-21: 160/159 56 games, prorate: 234/233
2021-22: 210/272

Fletcher and AV did turn the team around, and if COVID doesn't happen, I think they might have been able to sustain it for another season - but that 2019-20 team had a short window:

By TOI:
F: Couts (27), G (32), Hayes (27), Voracek (30), TK (22), JVR (30), Laughton (25), Farabee (19), Raffl (31), Pitlick (28), NAK (23), Frost (20)
D: Provorov (23), Niskanen (33), Sanheim (23), Ghost (26), Braun (32), Myers (23), Hagg (24)
Notice no prospects would arrive until 2022-23 [Frost, Cates, Allison, York]

Even if Fletcher makes no changes, by 2021-22, this becomes a bad team, some due to bad luck, some due to age. Without replacements in the system, it would have taken trading multiple 1sts for this team to make the playoffs, much less compete for a Cup. As the ED showed, Ghost, Voracek and JVR had zero trade value.

They've been dysfunctional ever since they first let Clarke make decisions.

If Fletcher makes no moves for four years the team would be better off. That's how bad he was.

 

[prototypical4thliner]

@JojoTheWhale Clearly the worst mistake in franchise history, by the way. Hextall is such an idiot for wanting Patrick back in 2017.

Wow.

Incidentally, the only thing you can critique hextall on that particular draft is he may have eschewed best player available for organizational depth.

Some scouts had the defensemen higher. Many had the centers higher. No one saw makar being what he is—otherwise he would have been touted in nearly the manner that bedard currently is.

 

[Striiker]

When will you guys learn that employed hockey authority figures can never be wrong?

Fletchers a great GM

Torts is the best decision this franchise has made in a long time

Clarke wouldn’t lie

The Flyers amazing scouts DEFINITELY wanted the small, skilled, offensive defensemen who came with tons of risk, NOT the big right handed center who had been hyped up for years

 

[Ghosts Beer]

yeah he slammed in in that minute an a half interview. Poor Ronald.

Hopefully they hire Ronald back as an advisor when he is canned after their season. They are going to need a new era of advisors.

What 4 new advisors should replace the old ones?


Not sure why it is hard to believe he overruled the scouts. GM's do it all the time. Ronald did. Time to move on from it.

Here is a funny story, when the flyers drafted McLoughlin, Fletcher had no idea who he was..

It’s truly bizarre that we’ve got a guy on here who not only can’t believe that a GM overruled his scouts, but also asserts that every story indicating such, which had been reported by multiple outlets for years— all derive from a lying evil Bob Clarke. And asserts all this as fact. Hell of a conspiracy.

Anyway, doesn’t shock me that Chuck wasn’t aware of McLaughlin. He wasn’t deep-dive scouting for late round picks. Some team employee tipped off Flahr about him, if I recall correctly.

 

[Beef Invictus]

It’s truly bizarre that we’ve got a guy on here who not only can’t believe that a GM overruled his scouts, but also asserts that every story indicating such, which had been reported by multiple outlets for years— all derive from a lying evil Bob Clarke. And asserts all this as fact. Hell of a conspiracy.

Anyway, doesn’t shock me that Chuck wasn’t aware of McLaughlin. He wasn’t deep-dive scouting for late round picks. Some team employee tipped off Flahr about him, if I recall correctly.

Oh, so, you're going to lie now. No shock. You love lying.

 

[Beef Invictus]

This must have been missed.

 

[CutOnDime97]

@JojoTheWhale Clearly the worst mistake in franchise history, by the way. Hextall is such an idiot for wanting Patrick back in 2017.

Pretty good call on Necas, give him that

Nvm I just looked at that draft and that doesn't hold up either

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Oh, so, you're going to lie now. No shock. You love lying.

“They accuse you of what they do themselves.”

There’s never been a more accurate characterization than that quote about your posting.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

It’s truly bizarre that we’ve got a guy on here who not only can’t believe that a GM overruled his scouts, but also asserts that every story indicating such, which had been reported by multiple outlets for years— all derive from a lying evil Bob Clarke. And asserts all this as fact. Hell of a conspiracy.

Anyway, doesn’t shock me that Chuck wasn’t aware of McLaughlin. He wasn’t deep-dive scouting for late round picks. Some team employee tipped off Flahr about him, if I recall correctly.

When they drafted Owen chuck said who is he. wqsqer

You're in strawman mode, so that tells me you're just intent on wasting time for attention.

strawman my ass. Keep pushing.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Interesting to me to have Friedman go out of his way to defend Dave Brown on the nasty knuckles pod.

Rat trying to stay aboard the ship.

what he say about Brown?

 

[blackjackmulligan]

They've been dysfunctional ever since they first let Clarke make decisions.

If Fletcher makes no moves for four years the team would be better off. That's how bad he was.

1983?

 

[Ghosts Beer]

When they drafted Owen chuck said who is he. wqsqer

I believe it. He was what, the 206th pick, & a dart throw on a skinny unknown kid?

 

[Beef Invictus]

“They accuse you of what they do themselves.”

There’s never been a more accurate characterization than that quote about your posting.

ROFL.

I look forward to you claiming in the future that you didn't describe Rocky as "very bright" and spent the summer slamming me for doubting his ability to fix the PP given what he did in SJ.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

ROFL.

I look forward to you claiming in the future that you didn't describe Rocky as "very bright" and spent the summer slamming me for doubting his ability to fix the PP given what he did in SJ.

If you want to change the conversation to Rocky Thompson, instead of your “factual” assertion that Bob Clarke was behind a multiple-years-long conspiracy to lie to multiple outlets about Hextall overruling his scouts to take Patrick, fine. Let’s change the subject to Rocky Thompson.

I still like him. I still think he’s a smart guy. I don’t blame him for the Flyers’ poor power play percentage.

 

[GKJ]

This must have been missed.

Bro you ain’t use dark mode?

 

[Beef Invictus]

If you want to change the conversation to Rocky Thompson, instead of your “factual” assertion that Bob Clarke was behind a multiple-years-long conspiracy to lie to multiple outlets about Hextall overruling his scouts to take Patrick, fine. Let’s change the subject to Rocky Thompson.

I still like him. I still think he’s a smart guy. I don’t blame him for the Flyers’ poor power play percentage.

Thank you for demonstrating further that you have absolutely no understanding of Clarke or his decades-long history of lying to the media to drag guys through the dirt because his ego was ever so slightly bumped.

He came here to run the PP and it's worse than ever. That's the same thing that happened in SJ. Weird trend, that.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Thank you for demonstrating further that you have absolutely no understanding of Clarke or his decades-long history of lying to the media to drag guys through the dirt because his ego was ever so slightly bumped.

He came here to run the PP and it's worse than ever. That's the same thing that happened in SJ. Weird trend, that.

Yeah, whatever. I’m bored of the conversation.

It’s clear you’re going to your grave arguing as fact that every single report (over multiple years) that Hextall overruled his scouts, who wanted Heiskanen or Makar, to take Patrick, is a lie propagated by Bob Clarke.

That says it all.

But ok. Let’s move to Rocky Thompson now. I still like him. I don’t blame him for the fact the Flyers can’t win enough faceoffs or skate it into the zone or snipe enough on the PP. I think he’s probably a good coach, & it will show. It takes time.

You’d have fired Krzyzewski for going under .500 his first three seasons at Duke.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Yeah, whatever. I’m bored of the conversation.

It’s clear you’re going to your grave arguing as fact that every single report (over multiple years) that Hextall overruled his scouts, who wanted Heiskanen or Makar, to take Patrick, is a lie propagated by Bob Clarke.

That says it all.

But ok. Let’s move to Rocky Thompson now. I still like him. I don’t blame him for the fact the Flyers can’t win enough faceoffs or skate it into the zone or snipe enough on the PP. I think he’s probably a good coach, & it will show. It takes time.

You’d have fired Krzyzewski for going under .500 his first three seasons at Duke.

There was no consensus from the scouts. This "leaked" story changed depending on who the shiniest object at the time was.

Thompson is now on his second team where the PP tanked once he was running it. You've also unquestioningly defended every single coach this team has had.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

If you want to change the conversation to Rocky Thompson, instead of your “factual” assertion that Bob Clarke was behind a multiple-years-long conspiracy to lie to multiple outlets about Hextall overruling his scouts to take Patrick, fine. Let’s change the subject to Rocky Thompson.

I still like him. I still think he’s a smart guy. I don’t blame him for the Flyers’ poor power play percentage.

He has to take some of the blame. There is no way I do not hire someone for the PP specifically if I was Briere. That has to be done imo/

There was no consensus from the scouts. This "leaked" story changed depending on who the shiniest object at the time was.

Thompson is now on his second team where the PP tanked once he was running it. You've also unquestioningly defended every single coach this team has had.

says you.

 

[Striiker]

Guys, he’s a bright guy and a good coach.

The fact that the sole thing he’s in charge of gets worse whenever he’s hired is irrelevant. He’s still a great coach. Even if the PP is dead last, he’s doing a great job and it shows. Fantastic coach.

 

[Mayo Masseuse]

Yeah, whatever. I’m bored of the conversation.

It’s clear you’re going to your grave arguing as fact that every single report (over multiple years) that Hextall overruled his scouts, who wanted Heiskanen or Makar, to take Patrick, is a lie propagated by Bob Clarke.

That says it all.

But ok. Let’s move to Rocky Thompson now. I still like him. I don’t blame him for the fact the Flyers can’t win enough faceoffs or skate it into the zone or snipe enough on the PP. I think he’s probably a good coach, & it will show. It takes time.

You’d have fired Krzyzewski for going under .500 his first three seasons at Duke.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Fun excercise:

When did the first report about Hextall overruling his scouts on Patrick come out and what player was said that the scouts wanted?

When you figure out the answer then ask yourself when did Bob Clarke say that they wanted Makar?

Then ask yourself:

 

[deadhead]

Who cares. I mean Patrick might have been bypassed with better research (character, injury history) but would any team have expected him to break down the way he has? And if he doesn't break down, at worst he's a solid 2C. But the same logic applies to the Ellis trade, given the information available, no reason to expect a career ending injury. The Flyers have been snakebit (throw in Lindblom, Couts, etc.) - but they've also been a thin team that wasn't resilient enough to overcome a few bad breaks.

This is why my greatest fear is Torts is able to coach them to the playoffs next year - and Briere (or worse, the PTB) decide the team doesn't need to suffer through any more rebuilding and does what they did in CBJ, push all your chips in the middle of the table and the cycle starts again in 3 seasons.

It takes organizational discipline not to be seduced by short-term success and keep the focus on long-term team building, including depth in the prospect pipeline, in the AHL and the bottom of the roster that allows you to overcome adversity.