Whitesnake
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- Jan 5, 2003
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Type of guy who goes with the flow. Like....everybody else on the team. What a terrible trade. This whole Danault-Dvorak-Kotkaniemi was a disaster.
Adjusting period or not...
Team sucking or not...
He is really invisible, in the worst ways, out there.
Type of guy who goes with the flow. Like....everybody else on the team. What a terrible trade. This whole Danault-Dvorak-Kotkaniemi was a disaster.
It's more than just being invisible. I was watching him yesterday and he has trouble handling the puck while skating. He looked like a legit bottom 6 guy. He got a big body so if he goes in front of the net he'll grab some goals here and there and can certainly score between 15-20 but outside of that his level of skills is very limited.
Do you remember when I was saying we should retain Danault and over pay if we have too. Do you also remember when I said those who agree with Bergevin that we should let Danault go should be nervous that they agree with Bergevin? . People ignore when I don't agree with Bergevin but are obsessed and call me a Bergevin lover when I do agree or fight negative exaggeration to prove weak points.
I went back and forth on KK. But a big part of me thought that with Danault, Weber, Perry gone and with Price hurt, we should stay put and not sign Savard/Hoffman and also keep both 1st's after we didn't match on KK. I'm not that worried about Dvorak cause he's affected by this flawed roster with no identity but I felt our faith was sealed with how our offseason went. I personally wanted the rebuild but a little later in the process while we try to win with Price and Weber but with Weber going on LTIR, it changed things.
Dvorak vs an extra 1st. I'm OK with either in the end but would not have been my choice based on the circumstances we were facing. I also do admit that I got emotionally tied to what this "new" roster with good wingers could do. But did that ever fail! Should of stayed consistent and trusted my gut
Danault is gone and there's absolutely nothing we have other than his comments to the media that he even wanted to play for us again no matter what. You have to remember that the media feeds you narratives and theyre not always right.
I don't fall for the media narratives. Not the type. What I see is Danault was underappreciated by both fans and our GM. Trying to sign him for under $5M AAV is insulting. He busted his ass off each and every shift and worked as hard or harder than Gallagher. We asked him to play more of a defensive role after Suzuki passed him and he did. He had 60-80% of his starts in the D zone and fans jumped on his back about lack of goals. With the Kings, he is getting more of a 55/45 split favoring the D zone and look at that... 9 pts in 19 games with 3 goals.
We messed that up. Suzuki/Danault was a good 1/2 combo and adding one more good center with them would have been a great situation. I don't care about the 1C, 2C, 3C narratives. I care about team make-up and icing a team that can win games. No doubt in my mind that Danault helps you win games.
I agree with you that we'd be way more dangerous with Danault right now. With all his flaws, he was still a gamer. But we still have no idea if he even wanted to be back with this team and probably never will. Maybe he still chooses LA even if we matched the contract he has right now.
I agree with you that we'd be way more dangerous with Danault right now. With all his flaws, he was still a gamer. But we still have no idea if he even wanted to be back with this team and probably never will. Maybe he still chooses LA even if we matched the contract he has right now.
I know they won't do it but I feel like Dvorak would be better suited as LW to Suzuki. He seems like a good complimentary bumper pass/position type player to a high skill guy.Type of guy who goes with the flow. Like....everybody else on the team. What a terrible trade. This whole Danault-Dvorak-Kotkaniemi was a disaster.
Hes a third line center. Who pays their 3rd line center 5.5 million. 5 was more than fair and if we went by his regular season, before "He shut down marner and mathews" crap was started and wasn't even true, he would have been lucky to make 5 million. At the end of last season he was pacing for 37 points on the season. This year 39 points WITH PP time. SO much for his comments about more O zone opportunities, and him having another gear. He just doesn't have the gear for it. Guy is given golden opportunties that he SAYS he never had with the habs and is producing 2 extra points a year...pffft.Phil didn't like being pushed back to 3c in the bubble, in favor of Suzuki and KK.
It's unfortunate he reacted that way. Not a good look on him, imo. It would have taken proper management of his ego to right the situation. Even though he was in the wrong for reacting that way (though probably inbthe right that he was better than KK), I would have tried to heal the wounds.
Another wound was created in his last contract. MB used his bargaining power to get Phil to sign a low ball deal. The minute after he signed it, Phil said he took less on this deal and wouldn't take less on his next one. This summer, MB drew the line at 5M and Phil was true to his word. That was less money than his market value and he went with his market value. I definitely think if Marc had given him what he deserved on his last deal that may have made him more amenable to signing for 5M onnthis deal, a very good offer for what he brings.
Let's say when Carolina gave us a free first pick for a 3rd line center at best we should have kept that 1st and 2nd pick and have a better in Montreal at the end of the season.Type of guy who goes with the flow. Like....everybody else on the team. What a terrible trade. This whole Danault-Dvorak-Kotkaniemi was a disaster.
If he didn't want to come back, what do you think the reasons were? It can't be that we were only calling him a 3C and should not be paid more than $4.5M right? No way it's that?
Popularity contest. Petry and Gallagher got their max deals and we ignored Danault who provided equal value in us winning games. No wonder he left. You would to if you were him!
The issue is he is not a line driver as a center which causes ripple effects cause this team lacks puck possession guys all over the place and we are not that gritty enough to grind out tight games.
I feel that the Habs fan base are going to go on a blame game and nit pick players. Dvorak is a solid center but not an ideal #2C. You need two better guys ahead of him and we only have one in Suzuki and he has puck possession issues as well. I love Suzuki and what he brings to our team but he's not a line driver either
Kind of a related question… was Pierre Turgeon our last true 1C?
Gallagher should’ve never got that deal. His age, size and millage had disaster written all over it. Petry I understand. He was extremely valuable. Danault isn’t changing much with this team if he’s here in the short term which makes losing him not a big deal. With the Price/Weber era wrapped up, we didn’t need another bloated long term contract. The mistake made was throwing away high draft picks for mediocre players like Dvorak. That’s what happens when you have management with no vision. The only vision they have is building average teams that can hopefully compete for the playoffs and get lucky if they make them. They should’ve been prepping for Weber and Price aging/declining years ago.
On pace for 31 points and -999... This trade is horrible.
Can't defend, can't attack, most vanilla player ever...
I didn't follow the Coyotes and never paid attention to Dvorak, but was he always like this?
How can you justify giving a 1st and 2nd round pick for him?