Chiarelli Appreciation Thread

[Up the Irons]

1) 16 and 33 for Reinhart-- I like the deal--others not so much
2) C- Gordon for Korpikoski--you might have missed the fact that Korp got run out of Arizona--both the gm and coach riped him in the media at the end of the year
3) Sekera lets talk about his deal in three years or sooner
4) Marincin for Gryba--would love to know what MM did to piss of the oilers
5) talbot for picks-lucky the picks were low enough it did not matter

so some of us are doing back flips for those deals?

On #1: Tambo nor MacT ever had the stones to make this deal. The possibility that the picks end up Parize and Saad always scared them.
2. Meh
3. Good deal, sign of the times. Corrects the Petry eff up.
4. Meh
5. Chia read Slats like a book. Tambo doesn't make this deal, too scared;and MacT panics and trades the 16th for Talbot, overpaying and negating the Reinhart deal.

So, yeah, I'm excited. Two slick deals that predessors probably cant match, and a signing that is a direct result of a change in management.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

While it might be too early to heap praises on him, this tweet should make a few Oiler fans smile:

Gene Principe ‏@GenePrincipe · 9m9 minutes ago
P.Chiarelli said @Drat_29 could play left wing for @EdmontonOilers .At morning skate for Billy Moores Cup Draisaitl is on the wing.

Gee, you mean you don't have to thrust rookie centers to the wolves?

 

[TimCore*]

For what? Weak off season so far, imo.
We got robbed from the Islanders. Barzal is a better prospect than Reinhart and we added a 33 pick. Reinhart for 33 and Marincin would ha dbeen fair.
We missed the Hamilton trade and gave up more for Reinhart. What?!
We signed the overprized ufa ai didn't want with Sekera. We made a very bad trade for Gordson for Korpikoski.
We signd a 4th liner Letestu for 1.8 mil. He is a good 4th liner so we can say meh or ok to that perhaps.
Marincin for Gryba? meh. Nilsson for 1 mil? meh.
Talbot for valuable picks when similar backups wer eavailable. Also missed on Lehner, who has very good potential.
We still go with Backup Goalies that shall become starting Goalies. Not good.

 

[Kalost]

For what? Weak off season so far, imo.
We got robbed from the Islanders. Barzal is a better prospect than Reinhart and we added a 33 pick. Reinhart for 33 and Marincin would ha dbeen fair.
We missed the Hamilton trade and gave up more for Reinhart. What?!
We signed the overprized ufa ai didn't want with Sekera. We made a very bad trade for Gordson for Korpikoski.
We signd a 4th liner Letestu for 1.8 mil. He is a good 4th liner so we can say meh or ok to that perhaps.
Marincin for Gryba? meh. Nilsson for 1 mil? meh.
Talbot for valuable picks when similar backups wer eavailable. Also missed on Lehner, who has very good potential.
We still go with Backup Goalies that shall become starting Goalies. Not good.

yeah we didn't get Shea Weber + Kevin Shattenkirk and Rask what a failure

 

[Narnia]

For what? Weak off season so far, imo.
We got robbed from the Islanders. Barzal is a better prospect than Reinhart and we added a 33 pick. Reinhart for 33 and Marincin would ha dbeen fair.
We missed the Hamilton trade and gave up more for Reinhart. What?!
We signed the overprized ufa ai didn't want with Sekera. We made a very bad trade for Gordson for Korpikoski.
We signd a 4th liner Letestu for 1.8 mil. He is a good 4th liner so we can say meh or ok to that perhaps.
Marincin for Gryba? meh. Nilsson for 1 mil? meh.
Talbot for valuable picks when similar backups wer eavailable. Also missed on Lehner, who has very good potential.
We still go with Backup Goalies that shall become starting Goalies. Not good.

Good grief. There's so much wrong with this post it's not even funny.
-How do you know that Barzal will be be better than Reinhart? There's no proof yet and Barzal could even be a bust.
-Marincin is overrated. He didn't compete and was benched in the AHL playoffs. He cost OKC a game for avoiding a hit.
-You don't know anything about the Hamilton trade. Neely and Sweeny wanted Nurse on top of 3 draft picks. Neely hates Chia and blamed Chia for everything. Neely wanted Seguin gone and it was Neely who traded Seguin.
-Sekera is not overpriced. He was the best UFA defenseman out there. Oilers beat out 3 teams.
-Gordon was overpaid for a 4th liner. Gordon't career high in goals is 8. 8 goals for a career high. Good grief.
-Like I already said, Marincin is overrated and doesn't compete. He doesn't use his size.
-Nilsson was brought in for competition for the goalies.
-The bolded is big time fail. Lehner was coming off a concussion. Ottawa wanted a first round pick for a goalie coming off a concussion. Talbot was the best goalie available through trade and was never pulled. Good grief.

 

[TimCore*]

Good grief. There's so much wrong with this post it's not even funny.
-How do you know that Barzal will be be better than Reinhart? There's no proof yet and Barzal could even be a bust.
-Marincin is overrated. He didn't compete and was benched in the AHL playoffs. He cost OKC a game for avoiding a hit.
-You don't know anything about the Hamilton trade. Neely and Sweeny wanted Nurse on top of 3 draft picks. Neely hates Chia and blamed Chia for everything. Neely wanted Seguin gone and it was Neely who traded Seguin.
-Sekera is not overpriced. He was the best UFA defenseman out there. Oilers beat out 3 teams.
-Gordon was overpaid for a 4th liner. Gordon't career high in goals is 8. 8 goals for a career high. Good grief.
-Like I already said, Marincin is overrated and doesn't compete. He doesn't use his size.
-Nilsson was brought in for competition for the goalies.
-The bolded is big time fail. Lehner was coming off a concussion. Ottawa wanted a first round pick for a goalie coming off a concussion. Talbot was the best goalie available through trade and was never pulled. Good grief.

So we shall appreciate Chia for not leaving Boston in good and therefore the Oilers didn't got Hamilton? Ok.
Look
Most Oilers Fans are happy every offseason.
Belanger, Eager, Scrivens, Fasth, Purcell, Gordon, Fraser, Foster, Barker, Belov, Grebeshkov etc were all good sgnings/trades for your tatste.
Yes, that's what good GM's do, Trade good players when their value is pretty low. (Lehner).
Lehner is a very good young Goalie. Talbot is an older guy who has worked his way from the AHL to become a NHL backup. Not more not less. Therefor we paid a high price.

 

[Replacement*]

Good grief. There's so much wrong with this post it's not even funny.
-How do you know that Barzal will be be better than Reinhart? There's no proof yet and Barzal could even be a bust.
-Marincin is overrated. He didn't compete and was benched in the AHL playoffs. He cost OKC a game for avoiding a hit.
-You don't know anything about the Hamilton trade. Neely and Sweeny wanted Nurse on top of 3 draft picks. Neely hates Chia and blamed Chia for everything. Neely wanted Seguin gone and it was Neely who traded Seguin.
-Sekera is not overpriced. He was the best UFA defenseman out there. Oilers beat out 3 teams.
-Gordon was overpaid for a 4th liner. Gordon't career high in goals is 8. 8 goals for a career high. Good grief.
-Like I already said, Marincin is overrated and doesn't compete. He doesn't use his size.
-Nilsson was brought in for competition for the goalies.
-The bolded is big time fail. Lehner was coming off a concussion. Ottawa wanted a first round pick for a goalie coming off a concussion. Talbot was the best goalie available through trade and was never pulled. Good grief.

What a ridiculous post. not sure where to even start.

But lol critiquing Gordon on Goals scored. Good grief, way to completely miss the point of what the player brings.

lol at the revisionist narratives as well. Chia was big in Boston post cup and had carte blanche and few questioning him. But in the new version its Neely trading Sequin and I suppose Neely traded Boychuk as well. "Neely hates Chia" lol. Neely the cause of all evil.

Its classic denial and not accepting good with the bad. Chia made some good moves, albeit the biggest being able to bring Chara to Boston. But he made some famously bad deals as well and got fired for it. Simple as that.

 

[Replacement*]

yeah we didn't get Shea Weber + Kevin Shattenkirk and Rask what a failure

Point being the lauding for a pretty ordinary offseason is odd at best. Its the typical everything is great here in July type comments. I can resurrect any thread from Tambos first year and the comments are identical and being made by the same posters prematurely crediting Chia.

The biggest thing this offseason is of course *winning* the Connor McDavid pick in a socialist draft that rewards failure.

We're a perennially weak club, among league worst, and we didn't get enough to appreciably change where this team is at. We even got rid of two Centers, Gordon, Roy, who had very good seasons.

Critically we didn't improve majorly in net or on D.

It is lol funny that Fasth, who the pump up the tires posters were telling us was a great acquisition, and "as good as Hiller" Is gone and nobody even cares.

Has to be remembered that the hyperbole of July is just noise.

 

[LTIR]

So we shall appreciate Chia for not leaving Boston in good and therefore the Oilers didn't got Hamilton? Ok.
Look
The Oilers Fans are happy every offseason.
Belanger, Eager, Scrivens, Fasth, Purcell, Gordon, Fraser, Foster, Barker, Belov, Grebeshkov etc were all good sgnings/trades for your tatste.
Yes, that's what good GM's do, Trade good players when their value is prety low. (Lehner).
Lehne ris a very good young Goalie. Talbot is an older guy who has worked his way from the ANHL to become a NHL backup. Not more not less. Therefor we paid a high price.

At that time those trades seemed no worse than some of the moves made by Chiarelli so far.
Gryba could be the next Belov, Talbot worse than Fasth, Sekera Fayne 2.0 and letestu the next Fraser.
We traded a slightly overpaid but quality player in Gordon for Korpikowski... I wouldve easily paid the extra million n half keeping Gordon around and signing Ward instead of Letestu.

 

[Kalost]

Point being the lauding for a pretty ordinary offseason is odd at best. Its the typical everything is great here in July type comments. I can resurrect any thread from Tambos first year and the comments are identical and being made by the same posters prematurely crediting Chia.

The biggest thing this offseason is of course *winning* the Connor McDavid pick in a socialist draft that rewards failure.

We're a perennially weak club, among league worst, and we didn't get enough to appreciably change where this team is at. We even got rid of two Centers, Gordon, Roy, who had very good seasons.

Critically we didn't improve majorly in net or on D.

It is lol funny that Fasth, who the pump up the tires posters were telling us was a great acquisition, and "as good as Hiller" Is gone and nobody even cares.

Has to be remembered that the hyperbole of July is just noise.

guess were just a bad team always will be bad, i shouldn't bother watching till we get Weber and Rask

 

[Replacement*]

guess were just a bad team always will be bad, i shouldn't bother watching till we get Weber and Rask

Are you here to discuss anything or engage in one off strawman arguments at a time?

Calgary, with already Quantumly better D got Hamilton. The Oilers, with a ****show D corps got Sekera.

At least we got that, which is one thing, but hardly worthy of an appreciation thread and ironically enough all of Tambo and MacT had em at the same time of the year for moves that never amounted to any change.

 

[Narnia]

Are you here to discuss anything or engage in one off strawman arguments at a time?

Calgary, with already Quantumly better D got Hamilton. The Oilers, with a ****show D corps got Sekera.

At least we got that, which is one thing, but hardly worthy of an appreciation thread and ironically enough all of Tambo and MacT had em at the same time of the year for moves that never amounted to any change.

Hamilton shouldn't be compared in any deals because of Neely and Sweeny. Calgary basically got Hamilton for free while Boston wanted more from Edmonton and Arizona than they got from Calgary. Boston wanted Nurse on top of the draft picks. They asked for more from Arizona. A lot of teams are pissed at Boston because they didn't even know Hamilton was available. Oilers shouldn't be blamed for not getting Hamilton.

 

[Kalost]

Are you here to discuss anything or engage in one off strawman arguments at a time?

Calgary, with already Quantumly better D got Hamilton. The Oilers, with a ****show D corps got Sekera.

At least we got that, which is one thing, but hardly worthy of an appreciation thread and ironically enough all of Tambo and MacT had em at the same time of the year for moves that never amounted to any change.

is there anything to discuss if it's the same failures? we should have a fire Chia thread and we can get a head start on bashing the managment this year

 

[Replacement*]

Hamilton shouldn't be compared in any deals because of Neely and Sweeny. Calgary basically got Hamilton for free while Boston wanted more from Edmonton and Arizona than they got from Calgary. Boston wanted Nurse on top of the draft picks. They asked for more from Arizona. A lot of teams are pissed at Boston because they didn't even know Hamilton was available. Oilers shouldn't be blamed for not getting Hamilton.

Oh, but Chiarelli should be getting an appreciation thread for not signing Hamilton who was quite clearly the best D available and more what we would need.

At least Chia has McDavid which is why Chia is here in the first place..

But as far as adding very helpful supporting caste he doesn't get a passing grade.

Lets face it too. Gordon for Korpse, if this was MacT doing that deal would elicit tar and pitchforks and protests at Oilers office. But its Chia pulling the deal, not Neely this time..

 

[Replacement*]

is there anything to discuss if it's the same failures? we should have a fire Chia thread and we can get a head start on bashing the managment this year

If you don't think theres anything to discuss why do you have several posts in the thread questioning others comments?

Do you interrupt dinner conversation to say theres nothing to discuss?

 

[Aerrol]

What a ridiculous post. not sure where to even start.

But lol critiquing Gordon on Goals scored. Good grief, way to completely miss the point of what the player brings.

lol at the revisionist narratives as well. Chia was big in Boston post cup and had carte blanche and few questioning him. But in the new version its Neely trading Sequin and I suppose Neely traded Boychuk as well. "Neely hates Chia" lol. Neely the cause of all evil.

Its classic denial and not accepting good with the bad. Chia made some good moves, albeit the biggest being able to bring Chara to Boston. But he made some famously bad deals as well and got fired for it. Simple as that.

What? It's not revisionist history at all regarding Chia. It's pretty well established that Neely was giving orders to Chiarelli, to the point where he was explicitly demanding autonomy as a requirement for coming to Edmonton. I'm on my phone but hopefully someone can grab the old articles. I agree that he made the Seguin trade and is responsible for the return, but you're kidding yourself if you think Neely wasn't demanding they get rid of the party kid. Neely was Boston's Kevin Lowe.

 

[McDeathbyCheerios*]

Oh, but Chiarelli should be getting an appreciation thread for not signing Hamilton who was quite clearly the best D available and more what we would need.

At least Chia has McDavid which is why Chia is here in the first place..

But as far as adding very helpful supporting caste he doesn't get a passing grade.

Lets face it too. Gordon for Korpse, if this was MacT doing that deal would elicit tar and pitchforks and protests at Oilers office. But its Chia pulling the deal, not Neely this time..

In a bubble the deal looks bad. However I rather have Letetsu then Gordon. And I rather have Korpse and Letetsu over Gordon.Gordon was moved to make room for Letetsu

When judging gms it's better to look at the body of work rather then the individual trades. If the team is better at the end of the day and we didn't sell the farm then the GM did a good job.

 

[McDeathbyCheerios*]

What? It's not revisionist history at all regarding Chia. It's pretty well established that Neely was giving orders to Chiarelli, to the point where he was explicitly demanding autonomy as a requirement for coming to Edmonton. I'm on my phone but hopefully someone can grab the old articles. I agree that he made the Seguin trade and is responsible for the return, but you're kidding yourself if you think Neely wasn't demanding they get rid of the party kid. Neely was Boston's Kevin Lowe.

And then they move Hamilton because he "didn't fit in the locker room". Their problems continue with Chia gone therefore logically, the main problem is Neely

 

[Replacement*]

In a bubble the deal looks bad. However I rather have Letetsu then Gordon. And I rather have Korpse and Letetsu over Gordon.Gordon was moved to make room for Letetsu

When judging gms it's better to look at the body of work rather then the individual trades. If the team is better at the end of the day and we didn't sell the farm then the GM did a good job.

So because Chia didn't sell the farm here he gets lauded?

Sekera is the biggest flash. What "body of work"

Another non starter, non established goal recruit. Check

A so-so bottom six Center from another badteam check

Usual meaningless sideway and AHL deals. check.


I liked the Reinhart move actually. Because at least it has potential to be something special. Sekera everybody is high on but we've had these D recruits before.

Fact of the matter is this is a very bad team that needed a lot of help. Chia hasn't obtained it.

IMO we now have a worse bottomsix, still no starting goalie, and still no first pairing D obtained. We lost helpful players like Roy and Gordon and continue to employ absolute duds like Ference, Nikitin, Schultz, just because.

We also lost Petry from last season (no fault of course to Chia) but really how improved is this team?

The only improvement of note is McDavid and Chia can't be credited with that.

 

[Replacement*]

What? It's not revisionist history at all regarding Chia. It's pretty well established that Neely was giving orders to Chiarelli, to the point where he was explicitly demanding autonomy as a requirement for coming to Edmonton. I'm on my phone but hopefully someone can grab the old articles. I agree that he made the Seguin trade and is responsible for the return, but you're kidding yourself if you think Neely wasn't demanding they get rid of the party kid. Neely was Boston's Kevin Lowe.

Any convenient narrative gets "well established" here and is textbook illustration of cognitive dissonance and filter screening information to limit questioning. Basically, in order to remove any doubt about Chia and have positive thoughts only the narrative blames Neely and excuses Chia entirely. That's convenient, and revisionist. As little as a year ago Chia was being questioned for the Boychuk deal which immediately made the Islanders a much better team the moment it happened. It was a lol deal and people talked about it that way here.

Nobody here was in that Boston room, nobody knows the inner workings, nobody has foolproof substantiation that Neely was the one pulling strings in either deal.

We do know that Chia, as GM in Boston had managerial responsibility for the Sequin, and Boychuk deals that basically deep-sixed the Bruins fortunes going forward. These being deals that people would be up in arms about if they happened here and with posters blaming Chia for not standing ground in anycase even if they blamed Lowe or somebody else for it.

Fact of the matter is Chia was GM when those deals wen't down and ultimately got fired for it. Which anybody would be advocating for if it happened here.

 

[Soundwave]

So because Chia didn't sell the farm here he gets lauded?

Sekera is the biggest flash. What "body of work"

Another non starter, non established goal recruit. Check

A so-so bottom six Center from another badteam check

Usual meaningless sideway and AHL deals. check.


I liked the Reinhart move actually. Because at least it has potential to be something special. Sekera everybody is high on but we've had these D recruits before.

Fact of the matter is this is a very bad team that needed a lot of help. Chia hasn't obtained it.

IMO we now have a worse bottomsix, still no starting goalie, and still no first pairing D obtained. We lost helpful players like Roy and Gordon and continue to employ absolute duds like Ference, Nikitin, Schultz, just because.

We also lost Petry from last season (no fault of course to Chia) but really how improved is this team?

The only improvement of note is McDavid and Chia can't be credited with that.

He got the best available UFA d-man and best available goalie on the market IMO.

Just because Scrivens/Fasth didn't work out doesn't mean every goalie who isn't gift wrapped a starter job from day 1 will never work out for the Oilers. Every goalie not named Carey Price would be a back up to Lundqvist.

Unlike Scrivens, Talbot's resume includes actually being the full stop starter for an extended stretch for the Rangers when Lundqvist went out too.

I'd like to see a few more moves made to toughen the team up though.

 

[Replacement*]

He got the best available UFA d-man and best available goalie on the market IMO.

Just because Scrivens/Fasth didn't work out doesn't mean every goalie who isn't gift wrapped a starter job from day 1 will never work out for the Oilers. Every goalie not named Carey Price would be a back up to Lundqvist.

Hamilton was the best available D. Quite clearly and ironically enough the one the Oilers were also looking to first. Sekera was a fall back option when Chia failed to land Hamilton.

Chia gets another run of the mill 28 yr old goalie that is nothing more than a footnote for the Rangers and everybody automatically assumes said goalie is going to be better than all the dreck we've signed before. Really if its Scrivens still here I expect he still wins the starting gig and is a more established NHL goalie.

I don't understand your statement that unlike Scrivens Talbot was the fullstop starter. IF ANYTHING Scrivens has made this team his ***** and Fasth stopped even being in the picture last season. Despite the several suggestions by the usual faithful that Fasth was guaranteed to depose Scrivens and was a better goalie in every way.

You can understand the doubt I have with Talbot doing this either.

 

[Soundwave]

Hamilton was the best available D. Quite clearly and ironically enough the one the Oilers were also looking to first. Sekera was a fall back option when Chia failed to land Hamilton.

Chia gets another run of the mill 28 yr old goalie that is nothing more than a footnote for the Rangers and everybody automatically assumes said goalie is going to be better than all the dreck we've signed before. Really if its Scrivens still here I expect he still wins the starting gig and is a more established NHL goalie.

We obviously went hard after Hamilton, if that was any other front office with any professionalism other than Boston, Chia is walking out of this summer with Hamilton, Sekera, and Talbot. They were never going to give Hamilton to the guy they just fired.

Which available goalie had better advanced stats than Talbot last season? I'll give you a hint -- it's rhymes with hero. Talbot has done nothing wrong but happened to be on the Rangers organization that had the best/second best goalie in the world, of course he is going to be a back up there, there is no shame in that.

His advance stats are very comparable to Lundqvist's, even better in some areas by the way.

 

[Replacement*]

We obviously went hard after Hamilton, if that was any other front office with any professionalism other than Boston, Chia is walking out of this summer with Hamilton, Sekera, and Talbot. They were never going to give Hamilton to the guy they just fired.

Which available goalie had better advanced stats than Talbot last season? I'll give you a hint -- it's rhymes with hero. Talbot has done nothing wrong but happened to be on the Rangers organization that had the best/second best goalie in the world, of course he is going to be a back up there, there is no shame in that.

His advance stats are very comparable to Lundqvist's, even better in some areas by the way.

For one thing they aren't advanced stats, for another they ARE GAA and Save % which are team metrics had on the back of one of the very few Defensive teams found in the EC.

What do you think Scrivens numbers would be like playing on a team like that. Oh wait, LA Kings...


Doesn't mean much of anything and obviously doesn't in Scrivens case, and likely doesn't in Talbots.

Nobody should be comparing Scrivens to Quick, or Talbot to Lundqvist and its somewhat silly to even make such reference. In both instances these are older goalies that never even made the show until later in career and should not be confused with prime acquisitions.

That said my approach with goalie development is a bullet approach and have as many prospects in the stable as you can as development is the biggest unknown at this position. But with the latter also denoting that you can rarely bank on eggs in pocket with any prospect goalie until they start robbing games for you.

 

[Soundwave]

For one thing they aren't advances stats, for another they ARE GAA and Save % which are team metrics had on the back of one of the very few Defensive teams found in the EC.

What do you think Scrivens numbers would be like playing on a team like that. Oh wait, LA Kings...


Doesn't mean much of anything and obviously doesn't in Scrivens case, and likely doesn't in Talbots.

Nobody should be comparing Scrivens to Quick, or Talbot to Lundqvist and its somewhat silly to even make such reference.

Scrivens had one 19 game stretch where he played as the back up full time, meaning he only got starts against weaker opponents.

Talbot showed very well as a STARTER for the Rangers when Lundqvist got hurt.

The Oilers were willing to deal the 7th overall pick just two years ago to get Corey Schneider, Talbot basically has the same numbers as Schneider over the last two years as Schnedier did in his last two seasons in Vancouver in the same number of games.

And we got Talbot for peanuts.

I'll take that trade any day. I was getting really worried Calgary was going to snatch him up away from us.