Proposal: CGY - MTL

[xNogaitx]

Based on the following assumptions:
- Both teams have traded repeatedly with each other recently (familiarity)
- CGY should be in a "compete now" mode if it can shore up its D (F + G are sorted already-ish)
- MTL wants to speed up the rebuild with high-end talent
- Neither team wins the draft lottery

To CGY:
Matheson (LD)
Barron (RD)
CGY 25' 1st round pick (they regain control over their own pick; '25 draft said to be stronger also)

Matheson-Weegar
Kylington-Andersson
TBD - Barron


To MTL:
CGY 24' 1st round pick - 8OA

MTL would potentially come out with 2 of: Dickinson, Eiserman, Catton, Parekh, or Buium.

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[Baksfamous112]

That’s not exactly the definition of speeding up the rebuild for Montreal. Anyway, value is definitely there for Montreal but Hughes said the goal next year is to make the playoff, so I don’t really how that trade help us

 

[beowulf]

No way for Montreal, this does nothing to speed up a rebuild by losing their most consistent dmen the last few years.

 

[JPeeper]

Flames ain't trading the pick and no we are not set at forward at all.

Flames are basically trading a top 10 pick for a top 25 pick regardless of the prospect/players they get back. We are going for rock bottom next year, Montreal can keep Florida's pick.

 

[Kahvi]

Calgary just traded most of their UFA's. No way they are in compete now mode.

 

[General Fanager]

So The Flames get their pick back and Barron for the future and Matheson who they would likely flip at the deadline for the 8th OA....

Value aside this does nothing to speed things up for Montreal so Id pass....

If The Habs are making deals for picks I think they would want young players ready to play now.

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

this is about the 20th thread I’ve seen Montreal trying to trade Calgarys 25 pick. You obviously don’t understand the conditions on pick…

 

[General Fanager]

this is about the 20th thread I’ve seen Montreal trying to trade Calgarys 25 pick. You obviously don’t understand the conditions on pick…

Very few people could....

 

[Bond]

So The Flames get their pick back and Barron for the future and Matheson who they would likely flip at the deadline for the 8th OA....

Value aside this does nothing to speed things up for Montreal so Id pass....

If The Habs are making deals for picks I think they would want young players ready to play now.

None of that is very enticing for the 8th overall though.

 

[Double Dion]

Ooof. Barron is waiver fodder. Matheson has fit nicely in MTL, but had very rough stops before that. We need a C prospect, not a guy who if everything breaks perfectly would be our 3rd or 4th best defenseman and is over 30.

 

[Jared Dunn]

Very few people could....

At this point it's pretty clear cut. Philly is getting Florida's first this year which mean Calgary owns their '25 pick. Calgary is likely to be a bottom 10 pick, whereas Florida is incredibly unlikely to be. Ergo, Montreal gets the Florida pick

 

[Bond]

At this point it's pretty clear cut. Philly is getting Florida's first this year which mean Calgary owns their '25 pick. Calgary is likely to be a bottom 10 pick, whereas Florida is incredibly unlikely to be. Ergo, Montreal gets the Florida pick

Yup, the only thing I am worried about is the Flames somehow finish in the 11-15 range but they have a lot of UFAs to sell again so they should safely be in the bottom 10.

 

[pth2]

this is about the 20th thread I’ve seen Montreal trying to trade Calgarys 25 pick. You obviously don’t understand the conditions on pick…

You realize the fanbase is made up of multiple individuals with varied levels of understanding of the conditions, right ?

And keep in mind, the OP mentions Calgary "regaining control" of the pick, ie, being able to trade either of those picks over the next 15 months. If Calgary were trying to return to competitiveness quickly, that would have some value.

Based on the following assumptions:
- Both teams have traded repeatedly with each other recently (familiarity)
- CGY should be in a "compete now" mode if it can shore up its D (F + G are sorted already-ish)
- MTL wants to speed up the rebuild with high-end talent
- Neither team wins the draft lottery

To CGY:
Matheson (LD)
Barron (RD)
CGY 25' 1st round pick (they regain control over their own pick; '25 draft said to be stronger also)

Matheson-Weegar
Kylington-Andersson
TBD - Barron


To MTL:
CGY 24' 1st round pick - 8OA

MTL would potentially come out with 2 of: Dickinson, Eiserman, Catton, Parekh, or Buium.

On value, I think it's fair, but Calgary doesn't seem to be in a rush to ice a better team immediately, whereas Montreal wants to take a step forward, and as much as Matheson has some gaps in his game, he clearly doesn't have an internal replacement ready to take over.

 

[pth2]

If The Habs are making deals for picks I think they would want young players ready to play now.

Kent Hughes has indeed shown more interest in getting young players with some development baked in, rather than picks. He's used picks more as a currency than to try and rebuild through the draft.

 

[Some Other Flame]

But Calgary isn't trying to return to competitiveness "quickly". The plan is to get there by 2027 when the new arena is scheduled to open. Which means for the next 3 or seasons, it's rebuild o'clock. Sorry, "retool" o'clock.

Either way, this is hilariously awful value for a top ten pick.

 

[McJedi]

Awful for Calgary.

You take on Matheson’s bad contract, an AHL/NHL tweener and a late 2025 1st for 8th overall.

Matheson won’t have value until February 2026 when you can retain 50% of his remaining AAV as a rental offense only defender you'd want nowhere near the ice in a playoff setting and you’re in overtime hoping to win. His careless turnovers and terrible defensive play aren’t the traits any coach looks for in overtime or close playoff games.

 

[crazyfisherman]

Very few people could....

Its 99% gonna be Florida 1st rounder, Hope that helped

 

[xNogaitx]

this is about the 20th thread I’ve seen Montreal trying to trade Calgarys 25 pick. You obviously don’t understand the conditions on pick…

See, to me the interesting part so far is that everyone's seemingly so writing off the Flames' 24-25 season before it even started, as if NHL GMs never try to go for quick re-tools instead of full-blown tear downs.

CGY's forward group has 47M committed next year, mostly around a core of guys in their early 30s (aka - time to compete with that core is now, not later. Whereas selling on them will require many, many years of going down the drain.)

I somehow doubt upper management will not attempt one of those moves (not saying this exact one would be it), as it will be a hard sell to just "throw" the towel right away.

You can get bogged down in the details of it "possibly" being either Florida's or Calgary's (no one owns a crystal ball as far as I'm aware, all we know as of today under the current assumptions is that this is CGY's pick for now.)

For all we know, Florida could finish 11th, CGY 12th, and then you're basically fighting over if the value of Matheson + Barron was enough to go from 11th to 8th.

 

[Jared Dunn]

Yup, the only thing I am worried about is the Flames somehow finish in the 11-15 range but they have a lot of UFAs to sell again so they should safely be in the bottom 10.

If they trade Markstrom which I think is likely at this point, I don't see that being a concern personally

Awful for Calgary.

You take on Matheson’s bad contract, an AHL/NHL tweener and a late 2025 1st for 8th overall.

Matheson won’t have value until February 2026 when you can retain 50% of his remaining AAV as a rental offense only defender you'd want nowhere near the ice in a playoff setting and you’re in overtime hoping to win. His careless turnovers and terrible defensive play aren’t the traits any coach looks for in overtime or close playoff games.

lol, come on man.... how do you expect anyone to continue reading this take in a serious manner

 

[McJedi]

If they trade Markstrom which I think is likely at this point, I don't see that being a concern personally


lol, come on man.... how do you expect anyone to continue reading this take in a serious manner

There is a huge component of the Habs fan base that absurdly over values your players.

Like when Petry was worth a massive haul to the Habs fans a few years ago.

Matheson = Jeff Petry. He’s not valued around league. Teams don’t need to allocate $5mm per to a guy that sucks in his own zone, is a giveaway machine and isn’t nearly as good a PP QB is what most playoff teams already have on their roster.

 

[xNogaitx]

There is a huge component of the Habs fan base that absurdly over values your players.

Like when Petry was worth a massive haul to the Habs fans a few years ago.

Matheson = Jeff Petry. He’s not valued around league. Teams don’t need to allocate $5mm per to a guy that sucks in his own zone, is a giveaway machine and isn’t nearly as good a PP QB is what most playoff teams already have on their roster.

Again, we're talking about Matheson who turned 30 a month ago with only 2 more seasons left on his sub-5M AAV contract while putting up 10th best scoring for D.

Is he worth a top 10 pick on his own? Obviously not, but am sure many GMs would more than likely throw a 15-20th OA pick + prospect if they felt that was the missing piece to their team.

Barron is a 22YO RHD with size, already shown ability to pace for 30pts/season in the NHL but he has to improve his Defensive game. Is this worth a top 10, or even top 20 pick on its own? Again, no, but again many GMs would likely be tempted at taking a gamble on improving his play with their staff instead of a "?, see you in 5-years" 25OA pick. Especially considering he's got size + RHD which are both highly valued by GMs.

Do both of these combine to the "chart value" of a 8OA? Not quite, but throwing in CGY 1st whereby they regain control over their pick (or FLO's, whichever it ends up being) gives them a lot more latitude as well in their upcoming offseason and bridges the gap/exceeds it from a "chart value" standpoint.

People can hate because it's team XYZ/player XYZ all they want, at the end of the day anybody looking at what CGY has under contract going into next season, with the good goaltending that they have (with Wolf coming up) can see that a possible move management could make is to try to shore up their lackluster D.

 

[HuGo Sham]

Awful for Calgary.

You take on Matheson’s bad contract, an AHL/NHL tweener and a late 2025 1st for 8th overall.

Matheson won’t have value until February 2026 when you can retain 50% of his remaining AAV as a rental offense only defender you'd want nowhere near the ice in a playoff setting and you’re in overtime hoping to win. His careless turnovers and terrible defensive play aren’t the traits any coach looks for in overtime or close playoff games.

top 10 points for Dmen (52), playing tough minutes on a shit team and making 4.8 mill. What are posting about?
oh yeah, he plays for the Habs

There is a huge component of the Habs fan base that absurdly over values your players.

Like when Petry was worth a massive haul to the Habs fans a few years ago.

Matheson = Jeff Petry. He’s not valued around league. Teams don’t need to allocate $5mm per to a guy that sucks in his own zone, is a giveaway machine and isn’t nearly as good a PP QB is what most playoff teams already have on their roster.

and then you, who absurdly undervalues most everything related to the habs.

it's the eternal HF struggle

There is a huge component of the Habs fan base that absurdly over values your players.

Like when Petry was worth a massive haul to the Habs fans a few years ago.

Matheson = Jeff Petry. He’s not valued around league. Teams don’t need to allocate $5mm per to a guy that sucks in his own zone, is a giveaway machine and isn’t nearly as good a PP QB is what most playoff teams already have on their roster.

at this point, he's younger and much better than petry

 

[Flames Fanatic]

Just doesn't make sense for Calgary.

The pick next year is Florida's, unless we finish above bottom ten. Which isn't impossible, but given the state of our team, even then it makes more sense to take the top 10 pick now than trade it for a mid teens pick and Matheson/Barron.

 

[Scintillating10]

Based on the following assumptions:
- Both teams have traded repeatedly with each other recently (familiarity)
- CGY should be in a "compete now" mode if it can shore up its D (F + G are sorted already-ish)
- MTL wants to speed up the rebuild with high-end talent
- Neither team wins the draft lottery

To CGY:
Matheson (LD)
Barron (RD)
CGY 25' 1st round pick (they regain control over their own pick; '25 draft said to be stronger also)

Matheson-Weegar
Kylington-Andersson
TBD - Barron


To MTL:
CGY 24' 1st round pick - 8OA

MTL would potentially come out with 2 of: Dickinson, Eiserman, Catton, Parekh, or Buium.

This Montreal fan passes.

 

[Dubcity]

Calgary should be in a "compete now"
That's about as far as I needed to read