GDT: CGY(34-37-5) @ SJ(18-51-8) 8:30pm SNW, tank-off at the Sharktank

[User1996]

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He isn't (unless you just mean tonight, in which case I agree).

In saying that, he should get more minutes at some point. I'd imagine Mangi is traded in the off-season to make room for him and Pelletier.

Just tonight for sure

 

[super6646]

Sutter was a great coach, anyone that thinks otherwise is dumb. Ive been saying it last year, the players are just babies, they and the media used sutter as an excuse for their poor performance and now 80% of them is performing worse than last year. My only complaints about him is hes unwillingness to play the young guys, beyond that hes heads and shoulder above huska.
I will admit tho given the direction of the team, a coach that will play young players are a better fit for this team.

Okay, I'm dumb and can't see the magestic light lol. Sutter was incredibly overrated in his second stint in Calgary. He hit gold with the Gaudreau-Lindy-Tkachuk line, but otherwise he stifled the development of our prospects and set this team back significantly in the long run. Depending on who you believed he also potentially played a role in certain players wanting out.

Good riddance to him. Name and clout.

 

[Tofveve]

Kadz!

 

[Boomstick]

@flames23 Congrats dude. Winner, winner chicken dinner.

 

[Backlund]

Okay, I'm dumb and can't see the magestic light lol. Sutter was incredibly overrated in his second stint in Calgary. He hit gold with the Gaudreau-Lindy-Tkachuk line, but otherwise he stifled the development of our prospects and set this team back significantly in the long run.

Good riddance to him. Name and clout.

Whose development did he stifle? How did he set us back?

 

[flames23]

Currently watching the end of caps wings. 2-0 caps 5 to go.

As far as our game? Kadri has a big game as does Ras imo. We are trash against bottom feeders, but sharks are apex predators so we likely torch 'em.

Insert Brent Rambo thumbs up gif.

 

[crazyfisherman]

Okay, I'm dumb and can't see the magestic light lol. Sutter was incredibly overrated in his second stint in Calgary. He hit gold with the Gaudreau-Lindy-Tkachuk line, but otherwise he stifled the development of our prospects and set this team back significantly in the long run.

Good riddance to him. Name and clout.

He set the team back how? And which prospect was held back by him? Valimaki? Guy whose playing 3rd pair on arizona? Or Philips? Whose been on waivers twice this year already. Tre is who has set this team back

 

[Felidae]

Well it's subjective, but I didn't see this for one second. His play significantly improved for a few months, but until late November he was very very bad. Since the deadline he's back to being meh, and I'd argue no better than Wolf.

It's also just expectations. I will flat-out say I expect more from a 6m dollar veteran goalie than a first-year rookie. And if Wolf really sucks, I'll say it (like against San Jose when some ppl blamed the defence but I thought he was just bad).

Yeah we're just gonna agree to disagree on that one.

I will agree Markstrom hasnt been much better than Wolf since the deadline.

 

[flames23]

@flames23 Congrats dude. Winner, winner chicken dinner.

Thanks dude. Stoked. Got another parlay w Andersson pt, kuzmenko pt and Kadri 2 pts.
Come on Kadz. One more big boy. That one is worth $350+.

 

[Bounces R Way]

Such a terrific coach. Especially when he put Lucic in our top 6 for 20 games and we missed the playoffs by 2 points...

Yeah that was the reason we missed. Not Huberdeau playing like his brain fell out or Markstrom not being able to stop a beachball or Kadri completely phoning it in after the All Star Break.

Okay, I'm dumb and can't see the magestic light lol.

lol indeed

Sutter was incredibly overrated in his second stint in Calgary. He hit gold with the Gaudreau-Lindy-Tkachuk line, but otherwise he stifled the development of our prospects and set this team back significantly in the long run.

Good riddance to him. Name and clout.

Set this team back how? I'm not too broken up he's gone either because he's not the right coach for a rebuild and the Flames would likely still be battling for a WC if he was here.

Guy has 2 Stanley Cups and brought a clearly mid 04 Flames team within one goal of another. Kings haven't been out of the 1st round since he left. He's like objectively a great NHL head coach.

 

[Felidae]

Now that's a great save by wolf

 

[super6646]

Whose development did he stifle? How did he set us back?

Juuso Valimaki.

He set the team back how? And which prospect was held back by him? Valimaki? Guy whose playing 3rd pair on arizona? Or Philips? Whose been on waivers twice this year already. Tre is who has set this team back

By refusing to develop any of the talent in our pool in favour of his buddies in Lewis and Lucic. Zary didn't see a single minute in the NHL despite a standout pre-season, Wolf saw nothing until the last game of the season. And yes, even though Phillips didn't pan out as an NHLer, making that assessment after 2 games was total bs.

You can't be a competitive team when you don't give your youth a chance. In his 3 years in Calgary what notable prospect got a real shot with Sutter? For all its faults, that 2022-23 team had pretty awesome depth. Imagine he gave someone just a little better that 8th or 9th forward spot instead of going back to old reliable.

Yeah that was the reason we missed. Not Huberdeau playing like his brain fell out or Markstrom not being able to stop a beachball or Kadri completely phoning it in after the All Star Break.



lol indeed


Set this team back how? I'm not too broken up he's gone either because he's not the right coach for a rebuild and the Flames would likely still be battling for a WC if he was here.

Guy has 2 Stanley Cups and brought a clearly mid 04 Flames team within one goal of another. Kings haven't been out of the 1st round since he left. He's like objectively a great NHL head coach.

Playing a 13th forward caliber player in a top 6 role for 1/4 of the season when we missed by 2 points wasn't the difference? Don't get me wrong Marky was ass and Huberdeau ditto, but that team also had some insane depth too... almost something that caters to his coaching strengths.

He isn't objectively a great NHL coach, he was one, key word on was. You can't dispute what he did in LA, but his second tenure in Calgary ended in shambles. And that is why he is getting paid 8m dollars to sit at home rather than coach. Good riddance, if you don't have the ability to communicate with your players and keep them on board than you just aren't cut out for the job. Especially in a market like Calgary that has enough disadvantages, we didn't need another one.

 

[Backlund]

Juuso Valimaki.


By refusing to develop any of the talent in our pool in favour of his buddies in Lewis and Lucic. Zary didn't see a single minute in the NHL despite a standout pre-season, Wolf saw nothing until the last game of the season. And yes, even though Phillips didn't pan out as an NHLer, making that assessment after 2 games was total bs.

You can't be a competitive team when you don't give your youth a chance. In his 3 years in Calgary what notable prospect got a real shot with Sutter?

Valimaki felt entitled to a spot he didn't earn. Zary didn't play this year until someone got injured. Wolf waiting a bit longer didn't set him back or stifle him and complaining about Phillips at this point is stupid, Sutter was clearly right about him.


What notable prospects did we have at the time that were ready? Sutter definitely has a veteran bias but it's not like there were a bunch of NHL ready guys.

 

[crazyfisherman]

Juuso Valimaki.


By refusing to develop any of the talent in our pool in favour of his buddies in Lewis and Lucic. Zary didn't see a single minute in the NHL despite a standout pre-season, Wolf saw nothing until the last game of the season. And yes, even though Phillips didn't pan out as an NHLer, making that assessment after 2 games was total bs.

You can't be a competitive team when you don't give your youth a chance. In his 3 years in Calgary what notable prospect got a real shot with Sutter? For all its faults, that 2022-23 team had pretty awesome depth. Imagine he gave someone just a little better that 8th or 9th forward spot instead of going back to old reliable.


Playing a 13th forward caliber player in a top 6 role for 1/4 of the season when we missed by 2 points wasn't the difference? Don't get me wrong Marky was ass and Huberdeau ditto, but that team also had some insane depth too... almost something that caters to his coaching strengths.

He isn't objectively a great NHL coach, he was one, key word on was. You can't dispute what he did in LA, but his second tenure in Calgary ended in shambles. And that is why he is getting paid 8m dollars to sit at home rather than coach. Good riddance, if you don't have the ability to communicate with your players and keep them on board than you just aren't cut out for the job.

Valimaki was straight up playing like garbage and you know it, he lost the roster spot to connor freaking mackey..... Its not sutters fault kylington (a prospect that became a regular under sutter) stole valimakis spot and hes not better than zad or gudbranson.
Zary?? Lets be real, no one was talking about zary as a call up at any point last year.

 

[Mobiandi]

It’s also up to GMs not to waste depth roster spots but Brad managed to constantly have us deploying the most expensive 4th line in the league, some of whom were on multi-year contracts.

Coaches will have their pet players. It’s unavoidable. If Conroy goes out and signs a bunch of vet plugs this summer, I’m certain Huska would put one of them flanking Huberdeau’s opposite wing for a month. This year, all he has to fall in love with is Hunt.

 

[User1996]

Huska was a speaker at an event for my organizations coaches. Honestly, I feel like he’s a guy you give some time at the NHL level. Well spoken, respected, and smart - but doesn’t seem like a guy that thinks he’s above learning and change.

Plus, he doesn’t exactly have a very good roster. He had them fighting for a WC spot most of the year, which is really where we expected them to be.

 

[super6646]

Valimaki felt entitled to a spot he didn't earn. Zary didn't play this year until someone got injured. Wolf waiting a bit longer didn't set him back or stifle him and complaining about Phillips at this point is stupid, Sutter was clearly right about him.


What notable prospects did we have at the time that were ready? Sutter definitely has a veteran bias but it's not like there were a bunch of NHL ready guys.

And it turns out he proved right! And get this, the team could use an 18-20 minute a night dman! This case study really grinds my gears, it's as if this board has collective amnesia and forgets that he was actually a pretty passable dman under Geoff Ward even after coming back from injury.

As for the second point, who knows?! Its unprovable when prospects weren't getting a serious shot at the team! But seeing how Zary has come in as a middle-six player, I'm sure he could've seen more action last season and done just fine.

Valimaki was straight up playing like garbage and you know it, he lost the roster spot to connor freaking mackey..... Its not sutters fault kylington (a prospect that became a regular under sutter) stole valimakis spot and hes not better than zad or gudbranson.
Zary?? Lets be real, no one was talking about zary as a call up at any point last year.

Because he wrecked his confidence! It was never a talent or ability thing, his play degraded consistently the longer Sutter was around. It never made sense, and now that he is in a different organization that much was clear.

As for Zary, no one was talking about him in the flames fan sphere, but my standards are a little higher for those involved in the team who make millions of dollars. Unlike the bronze god, our new coach Jeff Bezos actually saw something in some of these players and gave them spots. It isn't on Sutter to dismiss players because no one was talking about them, but rather giving roster spots to who he thinks is under the radar.

 

[Qubax]

freak, we're going to somehow get 1-2 pts in this game.

Montreal won tonight this would have been such a clutch loss.

A few more losses and we can cement drafting Tij, then we get two cracks at Joe in 2026...

Getting both Iginla's would be amazing for Calgary with the new arena, and reliving the glory days. Come on, just looooose

 

[crazyfisherman]

And it turns out he proved right! And get this, the team could use an 18-20 minute a night dman! This case study really grinds my gears, it's as if this board has collective amnesia and forgets that he was actually a pretty passable dman under Geoff Ward even after coming back from injury.

As for the second point, who knows?! Its unprovable when prospects weren't getting a serious shot at the team! But seeing how Zary has come in as a middle-six player, I'm sure he could've seen more action last season and done just fine.


Because he wrecked his confidence! It was never a talent or ability thing, his play degraded consistently the longer Sutter was around. It never made sense, and now that he is in a different organization that much was clear.

As for Zary, no one was talking about him in the flames fan sphere, but my standards are a little higher for those involved in the team who make millions of dollars. Unlike the bronze god, our new coach Jeff Bezos actually saw something in some of these players and gave them spots. It isn't on Sutter to dismiss players because no one was talking about them, but rather giving roster spots to who he thinks is under the radar.

He lost hes confidence because he was outplayed by every other D on the roster 2 years straight, thats hes fault. Kylington took hes opportunity and ran with it, its valimakis own fault he couldnt grab a roster spot. He had the same opportunity kylington did.

Zary had major surgery the year before, what he is now is not what he was last year. There was only 3 players worthy of call-ups last year, Philips, Pelletier, and wolf.

 

[Bounces R Way]

Playing a 13th forward caliber player in a top 6 role for 1/4 of the season when we missed by 2 points wasn't the difference? Don't get me wrong Marky was ass and Huberdeau ditto, but that team also had some insane depth too... almost something that caters to his coaching strengths.

No it wasn't the difference. The team being unable to score a goal or get a save when they needed one time and time again was the difference. The most frustrating team I've ever watched by far. They dominated zone time game after game and yet had not a single clue how to actually win them.

He isn't objectively a great NHL coach, he was one, key word on was. You can't dispute what he did in LA, but his second tenure in Calgary ended in shambles. And that is why he is getting paid 8m dollars to sit at home rather than coach. Good riddance, if you don't have the ability to communicate with your players and keep them on board than you just aren't cut out for the job. Especially in a market like Calgary that has enough disadvantages, we didn't need another one.

Of the 400 guys who have been a head coach in the NHL, there are 20 that have won multiple Cups. That's being at the top 2.5% of your profession. That's being objectively great. We can all agree he wasn't the right coach to run a rebuilding retooling rewhatever roster but him wearing all of last season like the media and many fans seem to scapegoat him with doesn't sit well with me.

 

[Felidae]

That would have been nice if Weegar scored that. A pretty sloppy looking rush but he somehow managed to get past most of their D lmao.

 

[Iggys Dome]

This jersey match up is the best in the league change my mind

 

[crazyfisherman]

This jersey match up is the best in the league change my mind

SJ blue jersey is really nice, their away blue is slick too imo

 

[Bounces R Way]

oooh that would have been pretty

Liking Zary at center

 

[super6646]

I'm falling asleep. Help lol