Pre-Game Talk: CBJ @ Cats 11/2: Return of GR

[Ghoste]

Per Bob, Petro in, Weegar out. None of the injured guys are returning. Jugger moves to center.

-ghoste

 

[GrumpyKelly]

Blocking a lot of shots is bad. Blocked shots themselves are good, but having many is not a good characteristic becaus it generally means you're stuck in your zone a lot.

Blocking a lot of shots on the PK is definitely a good "charasteristic" to have. You're not going to have possession time if you're killing a penalty.

He's not good on the PK

MacK was one of the key guys on the PK last year too and they were one of the best in the league. I'm pretty sure the problems on PK are system related.

 

[RainingRats]

Blocking a lot of shots on the PK is definitely a good "charasteristic" to have. You're not going to have possession time if you're killing a penalty.



MacK was one of the key guys on the PK last year too and they were one of the best in the league. I'm pretty sure the problems on PK are system related.

System is a problem and so is he. He's on for like every single goal against on the PK. He's not a fit for the system. If the system isn't going to change, then the personnel needs to change.

 

[GrumpyKelly]

System is a problem and so is he. He's on for like every single goal against on the PK. He's not a fit for the system. If the system isn't going to change, then the personnel needs to change.

It can't be just one guy You really think MacK is solely responsible that the PK is ranked 3rd last in the league? cmon

 

[EnforceTheLaus]

The BB&T line is strong cross brand marketing

 

[Gentle Man]

Elite 4th line Grinding Line

 

[Brokin]

He's not good on the PK

Besides your obsession with getting rid of Mac, just who has been good on the PK this year? I mean when you are ranked #29, how can anyone be doing a good job if we go by your evaluation? Tro took a direct hit to the side of the knee and you could tell he wasn't himself the other night. It's ruff duty and there is no way we should be playing our top two centers and exposing them to that kind of injury. I watched SJS last night and I can tell you they aren't running Boughner's set up this season. They were challenging every pass and didn't give the Preds time to set up rather than this stoopid diamond system with one guy moving back and forth on the points that lets the other team control the puck once they get inside the blueline. Pathetic.

 

[Ryuji Yamazaki]

Needs moar Gudbranson

 

[Gentle Man]

With the focus on defense during practice, I expect a better defensive effort.

5 goals allowed instead of 8!

 

[RainingRats]

Besides your obsession with getting rid of Mac, just who has been good on the PK this year? I mean when you are ranked #29, how can anyone be doing a good job if we go by your evaluation? Tro took a direct hit to the side of the knee and you could tell he wasn't himself the other night. It's ruff duty and there is no way we should be playing our top two centers and exposing them to that kind of injury. I watched SJS last night and I can tell you they aren't running Boughner's set up this season. They were challenging every pass and didn't give the Preds time to set up rather than this stoopid diamond system with one guy moving back and forth on the points that lets the other team control the puck once they get inside the blueline. Pathetic.

The forwards who don't play with Mack do well on the PK given that he's on ice for almost all the goals against on the PK.

 

[RainingRats]

It can't be just one guy You really think MacK is solely responsible that the PK is ranked 3rd last in the league? cmon

Did I say he was? Where did I say Mack is solely responsible? Link please. @Pumaconcolorcoryi has been tracking that MacK is on for an overwhelming majority of goals against on the PK. Why not replace him with someone who might do a better job given that it's impossible for anyone to be worse.

 

[Gentle Man]

Did I say he was? Where did I say Mack is solely responsible? Link please. @Pumaconcolorcoryi has been tracking that MacK is on for an overwhelming majority of goals against on the PK. Why not replace him with someone who might do a better job given that it's impossible for anyone to be worse.

Majority?

Try ALL. Lmao

When can we say it's not a coincidence

Mac is a disorganized player being used in PK that is disorganized.

I'd bet the house if that were Smith there instead, or anyone else really, they'd allow at least 4 less, which puts us at 81%

 

[RainingRats]

Majority?

Try ALL. Lmao

When can we say it's not a coincidence

Mac is a disorganized player being used in PK that is disorganized.

I'd bet the house if that were Smith there instead, or anyone else really, they'd allow at least 4 less, which puts us at 81%

@Kellyr @Brokin would you agree we need to make a change with MacK or keep him on the PK?

 

[GrumpyKelly]

I'd bet the house if that were Smith there instead, or anyone else really, they'd allow at least 4 less, which puts us at 81%

That's pretty accurate prediction!

Did I say he was? Where did I say Mack is solely responsible? Link please. @Pumaconcolorcoryi has been tracking that MacK is on for an overwhelming majority of goals against on the PK. Why not replace him with someone who might do a better job given that it's impossible for anyone to be worse.

The whole point was that if he's not solely responsible then simply by changing one guy isn't going to solve the problem. And we can't change every guy. Changing the system should be a lot easier.

@Kellyr @Brokin would you agree we need to make a change with MacK or keep him on the PK?

Maybe changing MacK would help, who knows. He's been good on the PK in the past, I just don't think changing him would make that big of a difference. And change him to who? We don't have PK specialists.

 

[RainingRats]

That's pretty accurate prediction!



The whole point was that if he's not solely responsible then simply by changing one guy isn't going to solve the problem. And we can't change every guy. Changing the system should be a lot easier.



Maybe changing MacK would help, who knows. He's been good on the PK in the past, I just don't think changing him would make that big of a difference. And change him to who? We don't have PK specialists.

Why not try? It's clear he's not working at all. I don't get the point of refusing to change something that is obviously a major issue and strongly correlated to one player. We've got to start seeing if things can be improved and this seems like an obvious first step.

 

[GrumpyKelly]

Why not try? It's clear he's not working at all. I don't get the point of refusing to change something that is obviously a major issue and strongly correlated to one player. We've got to start seeing if things can be improved and this seems like an obvious first step.

They can change him to who ever they want, I don't care. It could very well help.

I just don't think it would make that big of a difference.

 

[Gentle Man]

They can change him to who ever they want, I don't care. It could very well help.

I just don't think it would make that big of a difference.

It may. Some of our better smarter players can make the best of a bad situation, which our PK is essentially 2 minutes of a bad situation. Players that can assess what positioning and plays they can make to make it 'harder' to produce opportunities.

Sceviour is out so that is definitely one less option.

I'd go Barkov Brickley/Balisy/McGinn for one PK group.

Trocheck and any of the 3 above again.

I actually think Huberdeau could be successful. He is rangy, and is smart. But doubt they will ever use him.

Until Sceviour comes back...personally I'd go Barkov Huberdeau

Trocheck McGinn/Balisy/Brickley

 

[RainingRats]

They can change him to who ever they want, I don't care. It could very well help.

I just don't think it would make that big of a difference.

The unit without MacK does well. MacK is only playing half a PK at most. Not sure why changing him wouldn't be better? I would expect the PK to improve.

 

[GrumpyKelly]

It may. Some of our better smarter players can make the best of a bad situation, which our PK is essentially 2 minutes of a bad situation. Players that can assess what positioning and plays they can make to make it 'harder' to produce opportunities.

Sceviour is out so that is definitely one less option.

I'd go Barkov Brickley/Balisy/McGinn for one PK group.

Trocheck and any of the 3 above again.

I actually think Huberdeau could be successful. He is rangy, and is smart. But doubt they will ever use him.

Until Sceviour comes back...personally I'd go Barkov Huberdeau

Trocheck McGinn/Balisy/Brickley

Scevs is missed for sure. Both units look dysfunctional on the PK and give too much time and space for the opponent. It just too easy against us.

 

[GrumpyKelly]

The unit without MacK does well. MacK is only playing half a PK at most. Not sure why changing him wouldn't be better? I would expect the PK to improve.

Who do you think should take his place?

 

[batting1k]

Besides your obsession with getting rid of Mac, just who has been good on the PK this year? I mean when you are ranked #29, how can anyone be doing a good job if we go by your evaluation? Tro took a direct hit to the side of the knee and you could tell he wasn't himself the other night. It's ruff duty and there is no way we should be playing our top two centers and exposing them to that kind of injury. I watched SJS last night and I can tell you they aren't running Boughner's set up this season. They were challenging every pass and didn't give the Preds time to set up rather than this stoopid diamond system with one guy moving back and forth on the points that lets the other team control the puck once they get inside the blueline. Pathetic.

Also, by the looks of Tro's instagram, his mother just beat cancer, so I'm sure that's been weighing on his mind too.

 

[ucanthanzalthetruth]

It would be unfair to blame the PK on MacKenzie. However, he has been a part of the problem there, can't play 5 v 5, doesn't even fight (if that's your thing). I watch him every night and just think

 

[RainingRats]

Who do you think should take his place?

Huberdeau or Dadonov would be good to use. Not a fan of using top line players but both fight for pucks really well and have high hockey iqs. They know how to read plays well and use their sticks well. Brickley or Scevior are missing too.

 

[Gentle Man]

Can we just make sure Sceviour isnt getting Ekbladed

 

[Howboutthempanthers]

With the focus on defense during practice, I expect a better defensive effort.

5 goals allowed instead of 8!