Categories Draft Voting #1

[Joey Moss]

Jaden Schwartz - Connor McDavid - Jonathan Marchessault
Alexander Barabanov - Elias Lindholm - Jake DeBrusk
Eeli Tolvanen - Barret Hayton - Blake Wheeler
Aliaksei Protas - David Kampf - Tye Dellandrea

Hampus Lindholm - Ryan Pulock
Nicolas Hague - Chris Tanev
Pierre-Olivier Joseph - Jordan Harris

Andrei Vasilevskiy
Ukko-Pekka Luukonen


Anders Lee / Leon Draisaitl / Valeri Nichushkin
Ondrej Palat / Nick Suzuki / Seth Jarvis
Fabian Zetterlund / Ryan O’Reilly / Mathieu Joseph
Josh Bailey / Derek Ryan / Matt Coronato

Jaccob Slavin / Jared Spurgeon
JJ Moser / Brett Pesce
Brian Dumoulin / Tony DeAngelo

Alexandar Georgiev
Spencer Martin

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Alex Ovechkin - Nathan Mackinnon - Troy Terry
Brandon Hagel - Trevor Zegras - Vladimir Tarasenko
William Eklund- Adam Fantilli - Connor McMichael
Dakota Joshua - Nico Sturm - Christian Fischer

Devon Toews - Brent Burns
Cam Fowler - Scott Mayfield
Sebastian Aho - Brett Kulak

Thatcher Demko
Jonathan Quick


Filip Forsberg-Logan Couture-Matt Tkachuk
Max Pacioretty-Matty Beniers-Travis Konecny
Frank Vatrano-JG Pageau-Morgan Geekie
Filip Zadina-Jack Drury-Alexei Toropchenko

Vince Dunn-Artyom Zub
Bo Byram-Nick Perbix
Brendan Dillon-Jonathan Kovacevic

Frederik Andersen
Alex Nedeljkovic

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Anthony Duclair - Tage Thompson - Joe Pavelski
Kevin Fiala - Chandler Stephenson - Bryan Rust
Rickard Rakell - Dylan Cozens - Kirill Marchenko
Nick Cousins - Nic Dowd - Kevin Stenlund

Carson Soucy - Dougie Hamilton
Esa Lindell - Matt Roy
Caleb Jones - Justin Schultz

Karel Vejmelka
Joey Daccord


Brady Tkachuk - Sidney Crosby - Patrick Kane
Mattias Maccelli - Bo Horvat - Connor Brown
Miles Wood - Frederick Gaudreau - Lukas Reichel
Mattias Janmark - Michael Rasmussen - Rasmus Kupari

Zach Werenski - Erik Cernak
Oliver Kylington - Damon Severson
Derek Forbort - Nick Blankenburg

Igor Shesterkin
Dan Vladar

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Chris Kreider / Elias Pettersson / Andrei Kuzmenko
Artemi Panarin / Anze Kopitar / Gabe Vilardi
Sammy Blais / Nick Paul / Cole Sillinger
Pat Maroon / Nick Bonino / Vinnie Hinostroza

Brayden McNabb / Drew Doughty
Ryan Lindgren / Luke Hughes
Arber Xhekaj / Timothy Liljegren

Sam Montembeault
Phoenix Copley


Matt Boldy - Dylan Larkin - Drake Batherson
Dominik Kubalik - John Tavares - Jordan Kyrou
Zach Parise - Marco Rossi - Emil Bemstrom
Trent Frederic - Peyton Krebs - Denis Gurianov

Adam Pelech - Cale Makar
Rasmus Sandin - Matt Dumba
Henry Thrun - Erik Johnson

Logan Thompson
Alex Lyon

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Lucas Raymond - Matthew Barzal - Patrick Laine
Nino Niederreiter - William Karlsson - Andrei Svechnikov
Alex Newhook - Sean Monahan - Oliver Wahlstrom
Andrew Cogliano - Derrick Brassard - Tye Kartye

Travis Sanheim - Adam Fox
Dmitry Orlov - David Jiricek
Scott Perunovich - Darren Raddysh

Stuart Skinner
James Reimer


B. Marchand - A. Barkov - A. Tuch
M. Bunting - J. Norris - D. Mercer
J.J. Peterka - J. Roslovic - T.Jeannot
M. Martin - E.Soderblom - K. Yamamoto

J. Siegenthaler - A. Ekblad
B. Skjei - B. Carlo
O. Ekman Larsson - J. Spence

V. Vanecek
K. Lankinen​

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[Kent Nilsson]

- Detroit has a far better D and great 2-way forwards on every line. Detroit can hold McDavid better than Washington holds Drai.
- Detroit top 6 doesnt have deadweight like Schwartz and Barabanov.
- Hayton vs RoR at 3c is a kitty vs a lion.
- Washington barely has a PP QB.
- Goaltending doesnt matter

 

[abo9]

I dont think I need to defend last year's CS winner, or the defenseman who finished 4th in Norris voting, or the winger who was top 6 on the best NHL team in history,

Bur I WILL NOT tolerate my babies being called "deadweight", certainly not when Palat is implied not being one...

Or the atrocity that is forgetting to mention Boston Bruin's legend Blake Wheeler and Seattle's legendary Tolvanen on Washington's 3rd line. - basically Detroit' s 2nd line wingers.

Goalies don't matter

 

[LT]

What the hell do I have to do to win ONE round in these games?

Brady Tkachuk - Sidney Crosby - Patrick Kane
Mattias Maccelli - Bo Horvat - Connor Brown
Miles Wood - Frederick Gaudreau - Lukas Reichel

over

Anthony Duclair - Tage Thompson - Joe Pavelski
Kevin Fiala - Chandler Stephenson - Bryan Rust
Rickard Rakell - Dylan Cozens - Kirill Marchenko

??? Really???

 

[Kent Nilsson]

Everybody always say voting is terrible but then keeps voting terribly.

McD + Vasi goes CLICK CLICK

 

[hockeynorth]

Everybody always say voting is terrible but then keeps voting terribly.

McD + Vasi goes CLICK CLICK

Tbf the mcdavid team is legitimately better everywhere

What the hell do I have to do to win ONE round in these games?

Brady Tkachuk - Sidney Crosby - Patrick Kane
Mattias Maccelli - Bo Horvat - Connor Brown
Miles Wood - Frederick Gaudreau - Lukas Reichel

over

Anthony Duclair - Tage Thompson - Joe Pavelski
Kevin Fiala - Chandler Stephenson - Bryan Rust
Rickard Rakell - Dylan Cozens - Kirill Marchenko

??? Really???

I couldn’t find any way to justify the Gao between Shesty and Vej. Doesn’t pass my .900 rule.

 

[Gecklund]

There is 0 chance I should have no votes outside of my own.

 

[McDoused]

There is 0 chance I should have no votes outside of my own.

My team is pretty but the same or better at every single position.

- My top line is better
- My top pair is better
- My second pair is better
-My third pair is better
- My goaltending is better

Your team has about the same depth as I do in lines 2-4 but I don't see any of those lines being significantly better.

 

[Gecklund]

My team is pretty but the same or better at every single position.

- My top line is better
- My top pair is better
- My second pair is better
-My third pair is better
- My goaltending is better

Your team has about the same depth as I do in lines 2-4 but I don't see any of those lines being significantly better.

Your goaltending is absolutely not better.

Your top line is moderately better while my lines 2-4 are better.

Defense in general is about even but I’ll give you second pair because mine are young.

Your goaltending is not better in any way.

 

[hockeynorth]

Alex Ovechkin - Nathan Mackinnon - Troy Terry
Brandon Hagel - Trevor Zegras - Vladimir Tarasenko
William Eklund- Adam Fantilli - Connor McMichael
Dakota Joshua - Nico Sturm - Christian Fischer

Devon Toews - Brent Burns
Cam Fowler - Scott Mayfield
Sebastian Aho - Brett Kulak

Thatcher Demko
Jonathan Quick


Filip Forsberg-Logan Couture-Matt Tkachuk
Max Pacioretty-Matty Beniers-Travis Konecny
Frank Vatrano-JG Pageau-Morgan Geekie
Filip Zadina-Jack Drury-Alexei Toropchenko

Vince Dunn-Artyom Zub
Bo Byram-Nick Perbix
Brendan Dillon-Jonathan Kovacevic

Frederik Andersen
Alex Nedeljkovic

How I made my votes:

- 1G —> Colorado but basically a wash, 2G inverse, call it a wash
- D1 —> both top pair D Colorado
- D2 —> byram/Perbix
- D3 —> wash
- L1 —> Colorado
- L2 —> could be sj if Patches is good but Z is the best player on the line, and I think Hagel/Tank are the 4/5 best players, wash
- L3 —> sj
- L4 —> sj

So Sj does have better depth but I question that top pair and the L1 gap is pretty big, L2 is a wash, G is a wash, very tough, tiebreaker goes to the guy with the better players logging big mins

 

[Panda Bear]

There is 0 chance I should have no votes outside of my own.

Optics of Couture at 1C.

 

[Gecklund]

Alex Ovechkin - Nathan Mackinnon - Troy Terry
Brandon Hagel - Trevor Zegras - Vladimir Tarasenko
William Eklund- Adam Fantilli - Connor McMichael
Dakota Joshua - Nico Sturm - Christian Fischer

Devon Toews - Brent Burns
Cam Fowler - Scott Mayfield
Sebastian Aho - Brett Kulak

Thatcher Demko
Jonathan Quick


Filip Forsberg-Logan Couture-Matt Tkachuk
Max Pacioretty-Matty Beniers-Travis Konecny
Frank Vatrano-JG Pageau-Morgan Geekie
Filip Zadina-Jack Drury-Alexei Toropchenko

Vince Dunn-Artyom Zub
Bo Byram-Nick Perbix
Brendan Dillon-Jonathan Kovacevic

Frederik Andersen
Alex Nedeljkovic

How I made my votes:

- 1G —> Colorado but basically a wash, 2G inverse, call it a wash
- D1 —> both top pair D Colorado
- D2 —> byram/Perbix
- D3 —> wash
- L1 —> Colorado
- L2 —> could be sj if Patches is good but Z is the best player on the line, and I think Hagel/Tank are the 4/5 best players, wash
- L3 —> sj
- L4 —> sj

So Sj does have better depth but I question that top pair and the L1 gap is pretty big, L2 is a wash, G is a wash, very tough, tiebreaker goes to the guy with the better players logging big mins

Disagree there’s a gap at all between the pair 1. Dunn had the best season of the 4 and Burns has shown time and time again that he needs a babysitter. Burns is not Makar. Toews is good defensively but Burns needs a more pure defensive D.

Disagree about the gap in L1s too
MacKinnon>Tkachuk
Forsberg>Ovechkin
Terry=Couture

It’s not a huge gap.

Also Beniers is better than Zegras and Konecny is the third best player by far. If Patches comes back strong, you’re talking an absolutely landslide in my L2 being better.

Optics of Couture at 1C.

Crazy that a guy who had 67 points with Barabanov as his by far best linemate is seen as a weakness when he would be playing with the best players of his career.

 

[Panda Bear]

People probably don't even get as far as to read 'Matt Tkachuk' before moving to the next line.

 

[Gecklund]

I obviously think my team is better. That ain’t up for debate. There’s no way I should be the only one that has voted for them. I wanted to build this team to test y’all’s MASSIVE c bias but it’s worse than I expected.

From now on I’m drafting Cs 1-4 before taking a winger.

 

[Panda Bear]

Eichel team :WhyGodWhy:

 

[McDoused]

Disagree there’s a gap at all between the pair 1. Dunn had the best season of the 4 and Burns has shown time and time again that he needs a babysitter. Burns is not Makar. Toews is good defensively but Burns needs a more pure defensive D.

Disagree about the gap in L1s too
MacKinnon>Tkachuk
Forsberg>Ovechkin
Terry=Couture

It’s not a huge gap.


Crazy that a guy who had 67 points with Barabanov as his by far best linemate is seen as a weakness when he would be playing with the best players of his career.

Even with is unsustainable season, Dunn only managed 3 more points than Burns. Thats a wash for me. Toews >>>> Zub.

Yeah Ovechkin is still better than Forsberg. He has outproduced/outscored him last year and this.

Even though Couture and Terry have similar production, your guy is 34 and on the decline while Terry continues to get better.

Putting players like Zub and Couture in key spots is hurting your team.

Also give me Demko 100x over Andersen. Andersen will be 34 to start the season and can't stay healthy. Demko is 27 and absolutely steals games for Vancouver.

I obviously think my team is better. That ain’t up for debate. There’s no way I should be the only one that has voted for them. I wanted to build this team to test y’all’s MASSIVE c bias but it’s worse than I expected.

From now on I’m drafting Cs 1-4 before taking a winger.

Thats probably a good idea.

Also, my top 6 wingers are Ovechkin, Terry, Tarasenko and Hagel. All of those guys will score 30+ goals this year so its not really testing anyything.

 

[Gecklund]

Even with is unsustainable season, Dunn only managed 3 more points than Burns. Thats a wash for me. Toews >>>> Zub.

Yeah Ovechkin is still better than Forsberg. He has outproduced/outscored him last year and this.

Even though Couture and Terry have similar production, your guy is 34 and on the decline while Terry continues to get better.

Putting players like Zub and Couture in key spots is hurting your team.

Also give me Demko 100x over Andersen. Andersen will be 34 to start the season and can't stay healthy. Demko is 27 and absolutely steals games for Vancouver.

It ain’t all about points. Toews is a horrible partner for Burns.

Forsberg is a far better play driver than Ovechkin and has a far harder role.

So similar production. We aren’t talking about 4 years from now.

“Andersen can’t stay healthy” conveniently ignores he’s played more games than Demko last season despite fighting with 2 other good goalies. Demko’s competition was f***ing Spencer Martin. One of the only goalies in the entire league that wouldn’t break into SJ’s goalie room.

Even with is unsustainable season, Dunn only managed 3 more points than Burns. Thats a wash for me. Toews >>>> Zub.

Yeah Ovechkin is still better than Forsberg. He has outproduced/outscored him last year and this.

Even though Couture and Terry have similar production, your guy is 34 and on the decline while Terry continues to get better.

Putting players like Zub and Couture in key spots is hurting your team.

Also give me Demko 100x over Andersen. Andersen will be 34 to start the season and can't stay healthy. Demko is 27 and absolutely steals games for Vancouver.



Thats probably a good idea.

Also, my top 6 wingers are Ovechkin, Terry, Tarasenko and Hagel. All of those guys will score 30+ goals this year so its not really testing anyything.

My top 6 wingers are Tkachuk, Forsberg, Konecny, and Pacioretty so basically 1, at worst 3, 4, and at worst 6.

 

[McDoused]

It ain’t all about points. Toews is a horrible partner for Burns.

Forsberg is a far better play driver than Ovechkin and has a far harder role.

So similar production. We aren’t talking about 4 years from now.

“Andersen can’t stay healthy” conveniently ignores he’s played more games than Demko last season despite fighting with 2 other good goalies. Demko’s competition was f***ing Spencer Martin. One of the only goalies in the entire league that wouldn’t break into SJ’s goalie room.


My top 6 wingers are Tkachuk, Forsberg, Konecny, and Pacioretty so basically 1, at worst 3, 4, and at worst 6.

I think as a San Jose fan you are overrating Couture. He's not a competitive 1C in a 24 man league.

Zub is not a top pairing defenceman in 24 man league.

Heck Andersen does not have game stealing potential. He is meh in a 24 man league.

 

[ujju2]

Eichel team :WhyGodWhy:

Cap trouble

 

[Panda Bear]

Cap trouble

I don't care about this game! Last one!

Eichel team : WhyGodWhy:

 

[Gecklund]

I think as a San Jose fan you are overrating Couture. He's not a competitive 1C in a 24 man league.

Zub is not a top pairing defenceman in 24 man league.

Heck Andersen does not have game stealing potential. He is meh in a 24 man league.

I hate Couture. He’s a fantastic complimentary piece though.

Zub is a fantastic partner for Dunn and that top pair would work so much better than yours. Toews is a f***ing horrible partner for Burns. Hell I paired them together in a 32 team game and got roasted for it.

Andersen was better than Demko easily last year and will continue this year.

 

[McDoused]

I hate Couture. He’s a fantastic complimentary piece though.

Zub is a fantastic partner for Dunn and that top pair would work so much better than yours. Toews is a f***ing horrible partner for Burns. Hell I paired them together in a 32 team game and got roasted for it.

Andersen was better than Demko easily last year and will continue this year.

You are 100% entitled to your opinion.

It's just clearly not going to help you win any votes.

 

[Gecklund]

You are 100% entitled to your opinion.

It's just clearly not going to help you win any votes.

It wouldn’t matter anyway. There’s been 20 votes and you can’t change votes.

I’m still going to give my opinion though I MUST BE HEARD!

But I’d also like to make sure to emphasize that there is ABSOLUTELY spite voting against me. I literally had that same pairing. Toews-Burns. This was LAST YEAR when Toews had a better season. I got roasted for that pairing. People literally voted against me for that pairing. Now it’s seen as a strength which is hilarious.

 

[LT]

"goalies dont matter"

"the goalie gap is why i cant vote for dallas"

MAKE IT MAKE SENSE

 

[Makaveli]

"goalies dont matter"

"the goalie gap is why i cant vote for dallas"

MAKE IT MAKE SENSE

I have a better top line, line 2 is close but I'll give you the slight advantage. You have a better line 3. My defense is better overall and I have arguably the best goalie in game, while you have Vej. I will say it is close, a lot closer than the vote for sure.