GDT: Carolina @ Tampa Bay 8 PM EDT USA

[CAUFIELD]

I am pulling for the habs vs Jets and leafs both.

I like (Can’t like anymore since the scheifele hit ). Thanks for the support

 

[Borsig]

I like that gif how Abby is all thoughtful, then Abby is all excited.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Through 11 games in the overall series, Tampa has been held to just 13 5v5 goals. Florida gave up nearly as many (12) in the 6 games last round. Defense, forwards and going by xGA, goalies, are doing great. Continue keeping the penalty count low and the rest of the series should be decided by the bounces, even with the rash of injuries up front.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

It may backfire, but I'd very much like to see Geekie or (and my preference) Lorentz can do in Foegele's spot in a scoring line. Lorentz in particular can throw his weight around a bit and is able to drive offensive play from what I've seen. Put him on a line with a scorer and good things could happen.

Staal, Necas and Lorentz would be fun

 

[Svechhammer]

Staal, Necas and Lorentz would be fun

SNL hasn't been good since the 90s. Its about time it made a comeback

 

[chaz4hockey]

Through 11 games in the overall series, Tampa has been held to just 13 5v5 goals. Florida gave up nearly as many (12) in the 6 games last round. Defense, forwards and going by xGA, goalies, are doing great. Continue keeping the penalty count low and the rest of the series should be decided by the bounces, even with the rash of injuries up front.

+1
lol: someone on the Bolts board called Canes a “boring team”. I’ll take a boring win any day.

btw: anyone have a sense on when NN or Foegle could return?

Also, I wonder if Paquette is fully healed?

 

[Chrispy]

+1
lol: someone on the Bolts board called Canes a “boring team”. I’ll take a boring win any day.

btw: anyone have a sense on when NN or Foegle could return?

Also, I wonder if Paquette is fully healed?

Don't expect to see Nino vs Tampa. Most likely too early to know about Foegele.

 

[chaz4hockey]

Don't expect to see Nino vs Tampa. Most likely to early to know about Foegele.

Thx

 

[AD Skinner]

I think Paquette has been invisible at best but I wonder if its not time to move him back to center. Martinook seems neutered trying to play there and we need as many players in the best spot to succeed as we can. Maybe something like

SAT
Mcginn Staal necas
Martinook Lorentz geekie
McCormick Paquette whoever

I dont know. Knowing rod he may want to spread out the scoring but I thought SAT won us the game last night so I wouldn't break them up. But then I'm not an nhl coach

 

[hblueridgegal]

It may backfire, but I'd very much like to see Geekie or (and my preference) Lorentz can do in Foegele's spot in a scoring line. Lorentz in particular can throw his weight around a bit and is able to drive offensive play from what I've seen. Put him on a line with a scorer and good things could happen.

Lorentz has a number of "almost" moments ala Foegele, too, but appears to get less discouraged by them.

 

[hockeynjune]

SNL hasn't been good since the 90s. Its about time it made a comeback

LOL, weekend update is still pretty funny but beyond that meh

 

[Svechhammer]

Lorentz has a number of "almost" moments ala Foegele, too, but appears to get less discouraged by them.

Lorentz seems to be able to create chances pretty well. More so than Foegs, at least in my opinion. Put him on a line with someone like Staal or Necas and he could collect assists like candy. And him being physical could help open up some space for the other guys on that line.

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

Wearing my canes gear in Edmonton today. One guy questioned it pretty early in the day and brought up the cup finals. I just asked him who was responsible for the Roloson injury and he said MAB so I was like “ok, you’re alright”.

If anyone tells me to take off my canes sweater I’ll do so just to reveal a canes shirt underneath.

 

[hblueridgegal]

Lorentz seems to be able to create chances pretty well. More so than Foegs, at least in my opinion. Put him on a line with someone like Staal or Necas and he could collect assists like candy. And him being physical could help open up some space for the other guys on that line.

Totally agree. He reminds me of a Lab..boundless energy with a let's do it again mentality and just keeps going for it. Whereas, Foegs can get a little downtrodden looking if he has a misstep.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

One thing that I will say in this series is that Tampa has considerably more assets mortgaged into these playoffs than we do. Tampa paid three draft picks, including a 1st, to get Savard at 75% retained. I believe that we're the only contender remaining in the playoffs that actually net-gained draft picks at the trade deadline (Colorado dealt a 5th for Dubnyk, Isles dealt a 1st for Palmieri/Zajac, Boston dealt a 2nd and a 3rd for Hall and Reilly, Jets dealt a 6th for Benn, the Habs dealt a 3rd, a 4th, a 5th, and a 7th for Staal/Merrill/Gustafsson, and Knights dealt three picks, including a 2nd, for Janmark). Yes, Fleury was a good young asset, however, Francis was likely ready to pick him up for free at the ED, so getting a (likely early) 6th on top of Hakanpaa was quite a decent piece of business.

 

[hockeynjune]

Totally agree. He reminds me of a Lab..boundless energy with a let's do it again mentality and just keeps going for it. Whereas, Foegs can get a little downtrodden looking if he has a misstep.

all that and he is a really nice guy that will be a positive future asset in the locker room if we hang on to him.

 

[BrindAmours Army]

If we get any more injuries Rod may have to dress to play!

 

[Svechhammer]

Yes, Fleury was a good young asset, however, Francis was likely ready to pick him up for free at the ED, so getting a 6th on top of Hakanpaa was quite a decent piece of business.

I agree with the rest of your statement, but this part annoys me every time I hear it. I likes the Fleury for Hakanpaa trade straight up, because Hawk is a better fit for our roster than Fleury, and provides a necessary stabilizing defensive presence on the 3rd line to really shore up the defense as a whole.

But I cannot get on board with Fleury being expendable because Francis was going to pick him. Well, great. Now Francis gets to take someone else, so if that was the intention here, we traded for a pending UFA, gave away an asset that probably would have been leaving anyway, and are now set to lose another asset currently on the team through the ED. That... doesn't seem like good planning if that's the intention here.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

I agree with the rest of your statement, but this part annoys me every time I hear it. I likes the Fleury for Hakanpaa trade straight up, because Hawk is a better fit for our roster than Fleury, and provides a necessary stabilizing defensive presence on the 3rd line to really shore up the defense as a whole.

But I cannot get on board with Fleury being expendable because Francis was going to pick him. Well, great. Now Francis gets to take someone else, so if that was the intention here, we traded for a pending UFA, gave away an asset that probably would have been leaving anyway, and are now set to lose another asset currently on the team through the ED. That... doesn't seem like good planning if that's the intention here.

An important thing to consider, however, is that cap space also has a lot of value in this league. Moving Fleury has the effect of limiting Francis' options at the draft to not take an expensive contract, especially if the FO also protects Bean. The next best option for Francis, at least IMO, is Skjei, and as much as he has been of value to us this season, Seattle taking Skjei and his 5 and a quarter million in yearly cap does give extra breathing room in the Svech and Hamilton talks. As much as an outright Skjei selection by Francis may be unpopular at this moment, it may be the ideal medium-term outcome, as it would give the FO enough space to lock in Svech and Hamilton and maybe add a luxury piece, like say, a Sam Reinhart via trade or a Blake Coleman/David Krejci/Mikael Granlund via UFA.

 

[dogbazinho]

Speaking of breathing room, Skjei and his lung capacity have been awesome.

 

[LakeLivin]

At one point the issue of not losing Fleury to Seattle made sense. But after Fleury didn't continue to improve on the promise he showed at the end of last season (I'd argue he actually went backwards) that narrative is completely illogical to me.

The argument is that we needed to trade Fleury so we wouldn't lose him to Seattle. But his value is Hakanpaa + a 6th round pick (give or take). Wouldn't we be thrilled if all that Seattle ended up with was Hakanpaa + a sixth round pick? By the transitive property, we should have been thrilled if all that Seattle ended up with was Fleury, as well. I guess once we latch onto a narrative it's hard to let it go, regardless of changes.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

At one point the issue of not losing Fleury to Seattle made sense. But after Fleury didn't continue to improve on the promise he showed at the end of last season (I'd argue he actually went backwards) that narrative is completely illogical to me.

The argument is that we needed to trade Fleury so we wouldn't lose him to Seattle. But his value is Hakanpaa + a 6th round pick (give or take). Wouldn't we be thrilled if all that Seattle ended up with was Hakanpaa + a sixth round pick? By the transitive property, we should have been thrilled if all that Seattle ended up with was Fleury, as well. I guess once we latch onto a narrative it's hard to let it go, regardless of changes.

My statement wasn't a narrative at all. I'm saying that removing a potential low-dollar contract for Francis to take is a net-positive for this offseason, especially if the FO also protects the other major low-dollar asset in the organization in Jake Bean. UFAs like Hakanpaa don't have any value to Francis in the Expansion Draft, or at least not nearly as much value as locked-in contracts and RFAs do.

 

[Lempo]

If anyone tells me to take off my canes sweater I’ll do so just to reveal a canes shirt underneath.

What you need is a tattoo.

So... you wouldn't happen to be a sailor or a criminal?

 

[spockBokk]

It’s a lot easier to lose Skjei if the loss of his cap allows the Canes to retain Hamilton. I think they can survive the loss of Hamilton if they keep Skjei and Bean. What they can’t do, in my opinion, is lose both Skjei and Hamilton and still expect to be a contending team next year.

 

[Chrispy]

At one point the issue of not losing Fleury to Seattle made sense. But after Fleury didn't continue to improve on the promise he showed at the end of last season (I'd argue he actually went backwards) that narrative is completely illogical to me.

The argument is that we needed to trade Fleury so we wouldn't lose him to Seattle. But his value is Hakanpaa + a 6th round pick (give or take). Wouldn't we be thrilled if all that Seattle ended up with was Hakanpaa + a sixth round pick? By the transitive property, we should have been thrilled if all that Seattle ended up with was Fleury, as well. I guess once we latch onto a narrative it's hard to let it go, regardless of changes.

Frankly, as Bean continued to progress and Skjei has played well down the stretch, it seems unlikely Fleury would be Seattle's pick unless the Canes found a way to protect 4 D. Which isn't possible as it exposes Trocheck.

Given the circumstances, I'm fine moving Fleury for Hakanpaa. I think Fleury would be here next year if Francis were picking among Fleury and one of Bean/Skjei.