Confirmed Signing with Link: [CAR] Warren Foegele re-signs with the Hurricanes (1 year, $2.15M)

[Lempo]

Finns have two great young centres for their National Team: Barkov and Aho.

Actually a couple of days back a Finn paper published a longer interview of Mikko Koivu. On the upcoming Winter Olympics, he says he can't name the single best Finnish player. There's competition even for the 1C spot: "It's needless to compare diamonds like Aho and Barkov. Just let the boys play."

It was kind of a wake-up call for me. This is actually the talk Aho is in.

 

[Allhailtheleafs]

Omg I forgot Mitch was a first line cent

One example:

Aho finished the year with a 41.7% GF% on the PK. In Aho's 122 PK minutes his team scored 5 goals and allowed 7 goals. When Aho is on the ice killing a penalty there is almost equal chance that his team will score as the team on the PP which is nuts. This isn't even a mirage as Aho's expected xGF% is also 38.6%. This level of PK excellence is just unheard of in the recent history of the entire NHL. Unsurprisingly he also led the league with 4 SHG.

Compare these numbers to Mitch Marner who in 130 PK minutes had a GF% of 5.6% (1 goal scored and 17 goals allowed).

Omg I forgot Mitch was a first line center lol... Not in any order

Mcdavid
Leon d
Crosby
Malkin
Mackinnon
Matthews
Barkov
Bergeron
Pld
Eichel
Barzal
Tavares
Seguin
Scheifile
Pettersson
Point
Ror

These are all centres I'd prefer as a #1c. Typically aho is ranked approx around 22 out of 31 #1c in the league. Which is a lower end #1c. Yet a very high end #2. <mod edit>

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Omg I forgot Mitch was a first line cent


Omg I forgot Mitch was a first line center lol... Not in any order

Mcdavid
Leon d
Crosby
Malkin
Mackinnon
Matthews
Barkov
Bergeron
Pld
Eichel
Barzal
Tavares
Seguin
Scheifile
Pettersson
Point
Ror

These are all centres I'd prefer as a #1c. Typically aho is ranked approx around 22 out of 31 #1c in the league. Which is a lower end #1c. Yet a very high end #2. I keep forgetting you American hockey followers barely skate, and most have never played hockey. So I can't blame you for looking only at stats, and no tbeing able to use the good ole eye test.

So he is a 1C. At least you admit your mistake. The rest is just troll material. Try again another day, much like the Leafs since ‘68.

 

[Allhailtheleafs]

So he is a 1C. At least you admit your mistake. The rest is just troll material. Try again another day, much like the Leafs since ‘68.

I said he was a low end 1c, high end 2c. Yankees gotta learn how to read

 

[Double Dion]

Seems like a lot for him. He plays hard, but isn't a world beater. I feel like similar players have been signed for less than 1M this offseason. Other seasons it would be good value, but right now only top 6 guys and top 4 defensemen seem to be getting any sort of deal over 1M.

 

[Double Dion]

I said he was a low end 1c, high end 2c. Yankees gotta learn how to read

I'd take Aho over a ton of the guys you listed ahead of him. He's really good, just no one notices because he's in Carolina. He's an excellent 200 foot center who had close to 40 goals in a shortened season this year.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

I said he was a low end 1c, high end 2c. Yankees gotta learn how to read

Well you’ve changed your opinion and given nothing to support it so, its hard to know where you stand.

 

[Double Dion]

Actually a couple of days back a Finn paper published a longer interview of Mikko Koivu. On the upcoming Winter Olympics, he says he can't name the single best Finnish player. There's competition even for the 1C spot: "It's needless to compare diamonds like Aho and Barkov. Just let the boys play."

It was kind of a wake-up call for me. This is actually the talk Aho is in.

Aho is really close to Barkov. I'd say he's better offensively and comparable defensively. Faceoffs are a thing though and Aho is brutal in the dot, so I'd take Barkov. I'd love to have either of them though.

 

[Allhailtheleafs]

So if you in the bottom 1/3 of all #1c your not a bottom line #1c? Man, you don't understand math or are still in school. I can't deal with stupidity.

 

[GoldiFox]

Omg I forgot Mitch was a first line cent


Omg I forgot Mitch was a first line center lol... Not in any order

Mcdavid
Leon d
Crosby
Malkin
Mackinnon
Matthews
Barkov
Bergeron
Pld
Eichel
Barzal
Tavares
Seguin
Scheifile
Pettersson
Point
Ror

These are all centres I'd prefer as a #1c. Typically aho is ranked approx around 22 out of 31 #1c in the league. Which is a lower end #1c. Yet a very high end #2. I keep forgetting you American hockey followers barely skate, and most have never played hockey. So I can't blame you for looking only at stats, and no tbeing able to use the good ole eye test.

Tier 1: McDavid
Tier 2: Draisaitl, Matthews, Eichel, Malkin, Crosby, MacKinnon
Tier 3: Aho, Barkov, Pettersson, Point, Scheifele, Bergeron
Tier 4: ROR, Barzal, Seguin, PLD, Tavares

Even taking your list as truth, #22 ranked C is not a "high-end 2C". That isn't how statistics work. #22 out of 31 is an average #1C.

Just lol on the stat watching comment. I'd bet dollars to donuts that one of the only times you have set eyes on Aho is when he was dominating the Leafs with an EBUG in net.

 

[Allhailtheleafs]

Well you’ve changed your opinion and given nothing to support it so, its hard to know where you stand.

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So if you in the bottom 1/3 of all #1c your not a bottom line #1c? Man, you don't understand math or are still in school. I can't deal with stupidity.​

 

[Double Dion]

So if you in the bottom 1/3 of all #1c your not a bottom line #1c? Man, you don't understand math or are still in school. I can't deal with stupidity.

Your rankings are out to lunch if you think guys like Seguin are better than Aho. Aho is better at everything and it's not close.

 

[Allhailtheleafs]

Tier 1: McDavid
Tier 2: Draisaitl, Matthews, Eichel, Malkin, Crosby, MacKinnon
Tier 3: Aho, Barkov, Pettersson, Point, Scheifele, Bergeron
Tier 4: ROR, Barzal, Seguin, PLD, Tavares

Even taking your list as truth, #22 ranked C is not a "high-end 2C". That isn't how statistics work. #22 out of 31 is an average #1C.

Just lol on the stat watching comment. I'd bet dollars to donuts that one of the only times you have set eyes on Aho is when he was dominating the Leafs with an EBUG in net.

You clearly don't understand what low end #1c means. So if your the 31St best c in the league your still a #1c. I'll give you that. Your still low end.

 

[Double Dion]

Tier 1: McDavid
Tier 2: Draisaitl, Matthews, Eichel, Malkin, Crosby, MacKinnon
Tier 3: Aho, Barkov, Pettersson, Point, Scheifele, Bergeron
Tier 4: ROR, Barzal, Seguin, PLD, Tavares

Even taking your list as truth, #22 ranked C is not a "high-end 2C". That isn't how statistics work. #22 out of 31 is an average #1C.

Just lol on the stat watching comment. I'd bet dollars to donuts that one of the only times you have set eyes on Aho is when he was dominating the Leafs with an EBUG in net.

I don't have Seguin in that 4th tier and I move Scheifele down one, but otherwise I'd say you're right on.

 

[Double Dion]

You clearly don't understand what low end #1c means. So if your the 31St best c in the league your still a #1c. I'll give you that. Your still low end.

I think what everyone is saying is Aho is a lot better that the 22nd best center in the league. He's somewhere around #10 give or take a spot or 2.

 

[Allhailtheleafs]

I think what everyone is saying is Aho is a lot better that the 22nd best center in the league. He's somewhere around #10 give or take a spot or 2.

I respect this response. As I said it subjective. No trolling response. we just value players differently. Respect for that

 

[Allhailtheleafs]

But with pld in their 4. Watch out for him. Kid is going to be a beast

 

[Surrounded By Ahos]

I keep forgetting you American hockey followers barely skate, and most have never played hockey. So I can't blame you for looking only at stats, and no tbeing able to use the good ole eye test

You whine about other people trolling and being childish, then you post this nonsense.

I am amused.

 

[Allhailtheleafs]

You whine about other people trolling and being childish, then you post this nonsense.

I am amused.

You guys want to keep being rude. I'll be rude back... I've only read 4-5 comments that were nothing more then babies crying. If anyone wants to have a decent convo, with out hate mongering I'd appreciate it. If you want to throw stones, I only have so much patience

 

[Double Dion]

I respect this response. As I said it subjective. No trolling response. we just value players differently. Respect for that

Just not sure how a guy who is a guy who is excellent defensively and finished 8th in C scoring this year and 9th the year before isn't in your top 20, but he definitely is for most people. He always stands out for me when I watch Canes games.

 

[crowi]

So if you in the bottom 1/3 of all #1c your not a bottom line #1c? Man, you don't understand math or are still in school. I can't deal with stupidity.

Imagine making any statements about school with such grammar.

Your list is garbage. If you made a poll with those rankings, no one would agree with you. Unless maybe your mom has an account here.

Aho is at least around top 10-15 1C in the NHL right now.

 

[Newsworthy]

Another great signing

 

[tarheelhockey]

Typically aho is ranked approx around 22 out of 31 #1c in the league. Which is a lower end #1c. Yet a very high end #2. <mod edit>

That’s not really how it works, though. Players come in tiers, not in a linear order. There can be (and usually is) little-to-no difference between the #10 and #20. Aho is in the middle tier of 1Cs, meaning guys who aren’t top-shelf elite but who are perfectly serviceable in that position.

This is easily demonstrated by the fact that you listed several player (Tavares, ROR, Seguin) who could be replaced by Aho without their team experiencing any disadvantage for having made the swap.

 

[Double Dion]

That’s not really how it works, though. Players come in tiers, not in a linear order. There can be (and usually is) little-to-no difference between the #10 and #20. Aho is in the middle tier of 1Cs, meaning guys who aren’t top-shelf elite but who are perfectly serviceable in that position.

This is easily demonstrated by the fact that you listed several player (Tavares, ROR, Seguin) who could be replaced by Aho without their team experiencing any disadvantage for having made the swap.

Aho is better than all those guys in my opinion. I can't believe how undervalued he appears to be in this thread about Foegele...