Langway
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He does need to stay healthy and the last 2 years there is reason to be encouraged. The groin issue seems to be in the past now.
As far as luck goes...he doesn't need to have good luck...he just can't have bad luck again...difference.
He's missed 25 games the past two years, including 13 in a shortened season, how in the world does that give reason to be encouraged? Aside from the groin he has a concussion history and his inability to protect himself, even after nine years, will lead to continued injuries.
Frankly, I think your luck stance is absolutely ridiculous. Luck favors the persistent. He's shown zero consistency over the past few years and there is no reason to believe he'll have luck on his side.
He's missed 25 games the past two years, including 13 in a shortened season, how in the world does that give reason to be encouraged? Aside from the groin he has a concussion history and his inability to protect himself, even after nine years, will lead to continued injuries.
Frankly, I think your luck stance is absolutely ridiculous. Luck favors the persistent. He's shown zero consistency over the past few years and there is no reason to believe he'll have luck on his side.
RE: Luck - Argue with the PDO guys not me. That is an advanced stat that measures "luck" and seems to be fairly good at it
Most all of those 13 games he missed from 12-13 were from the persistnet groin right? Then he got surgery and hasn't missed a game for that since.
Also...just so you know....in that same span of 130 games:
Letang missed 55
Malkin missed 39
Crosby missed 14 (Croz missed 101 games the 2 years before that when Green missed 83..some due to suspension)
So should Pitt trade all those guys due to injury woes????
The groin isn't his only problem. He missed 3 games due to a lower body injury, don't recall what exactly it was, and of course he missed games due to "head" injuries this past season. He is accumulating various injuries beyond his groin that are largely a product of his inability to protect himself.
What relevance do Crosby and Malkin have here and...just so you know... the Pens did explore trading Letang from reports.
Backstrom missed more games due to concussion than Green has over their careers.
There were rumors Pens were shopping Letang but nothing confirmed at all. There are always rumors.
If you feel that Green is "frail" and "Injury prone" then you must think that Malkin, Crosby and Letang are as well.
This is pretty much how I feel.I'm perfectly fine keeping Green and seeing how he does under a coach known for getting a lot out of his blueliners. If come deadline time things aren't looking better deal him then. IMO what he would return now isn't going to be significantly different from what he would return then given his recent level of play.
Green is in no way an addition by subtraction type of player IMO and the best case scenario is Trotz is able to get a lot more out of him that we have seen since Green's glory days for the most part.
And? Are you kidding? Aside from that one year Backstrom has been the model of durability. Since 2007 Backstrom has missed 47 games, almost entirely due to that one injury. Green has missed 129 due to all sorts of injuries.
You can choose to believe it or not, but reputable sources have said Letang was shopped. Either way, I must not hold Letang in as high regard as you, I would of considered trading him even before the injuries. His play has fallen off and now that he's coming off a stroke it's going to be a tough sell.
Yes, because clearly Green is on the same planet as Crosby and Malkin, the fact that your bringing those two up is ridiculous.
Kris Letang was a Norris runner up the year before last. How could you not value a player like that? He's young. He'll bounce back and has his best years ahead of him.
Backstrom missed more games due to CONCUSSION than Green. Most of Green's missed games came in 2 seasons (80 of them) due to his groin which he missed another 10-13 games in 12-13.
The point is that there are alot of players with health concerns. Its a rough sport and not every player is Alexander Ovechkin.
What is your take on Green:?
1- Dump him for whatever. Addition by subtraction
2- Trade him if the offer is fair. If not revisit at trade deadline. (Brent Burns comparison)
3. Keep him
Clearly its not 3 so it has to be 1 or 2. Which is it?
Even Pens fans have been souring on Letang from what I've seen. His game isn't what it used to be and he just had a stroke. He's certainly a player that would warrant trade considerations, though it will be tough with that recent health scare.
The point should be Green's had significant groin issues AND concussion issues(along with other problems). Which makes him far less reliable and valuable than someone like Backstrom.
Health is only a part of it for me. I have seen very little development in Green's D game and when he's not producing offensively he's a liability. Coupled with the health issues I would move on from him. I don't want to hold on to a false hope that he'll return to PPG form.
Trade him. Not for scraps, get a decent pick/prospect and move on. Think the Ribeiro deal, can they? It remains to be seen.
Think the Ribeiro deal, can they?
I'm perfectly fine keeping Green and seeing how he does under a coach known for getting a lot out of his blueliners. If come deadline time things aren't looking better deal him then. IMO what he would return now isn't going to be significantly different from what he would return then given his recent level of play.
Green is in no way an addition by subtraction type of player IMO and the best case scenario is Trotz is able to get a lot more out of him that we have seen since Green's glory days for the most part.
Yeah, from an asset management standpoint it would be in their interest not to act as though they must move the player for the best offer regardless. The only way that should be their operating logic is if there are behind the scenes issues and/or the player wants out.
If they can get a Burns type return then go for it but the upside in improving Green fundamentally likely outweighs the upside in a couple second rounders or something. Even if he ultimately walks I think the short-term performance will outweigh that in their estimation. Perhaps MacLellan will think longer-term and will look to shake up the roster via moving Green but it makes more sense to trade Laich/Brouwer/Johansson when it comes to trades for the simple sake of change.
Couldn't agree more with everything you said here.
At this point only the true haters are blind to this. Green has significant value whether they like him or not.
I hear alot of people ripping on McPhee, for good reason, for his lack of "asset management" and then a bunch turn around and want Green moved for a "Ribeiro-like return"
That's some serious speculation. Unless you're taking calls for the Cap's GM, not sure how you can be sure of this.
That's some serious speculation. Unless you're taking calls for the Cap's GM, not sure how you can be sure of this.
As opposed to pretty much everything that is spouted off around here by everyone...?