Speculation: Caps General Discussion (Coaching/FAs/Cap/Lines etc) - 2020 Offseason Pt. 4

[tenken00]

You would have to think CBJ is on Kuzy's NTC? But then again, the Caps would know exactly who is on the 15 team no trade list since he had to turn it in already this year.

PLD in a Caps uni HmmmMMmMMmm.

 

[g00n]

Outbreaks are inevitable. Everyone will get this virus. Even with the vaccines (check the CDC's own literature. They clearly state the vaccines reduce the severity of the illness, but do not prevent you from contracting COVID. When they rolled out the Moderna vaccine at my work last week, the documentation we had to read and sign said the same thing), we will ALL catch it. Trying to avoid COVID altogether would make King Canute laugh at you.

The key is to minimize its impact. Lowering the transmission rates so that hospitals don't get overwhelmed. Lowering the severity of illness, via vaccine or treatment. But every person on this continent will be exposed to this virus and "catch" it (that's how antibodies work... you have to have the infectious disease in your system for the antibodies to be produced to fight it, even after vaccination). So, either we cancel all sports right now until we build up herd immunity (via exposure or vaccine), or we establish policies that take into account what little we do know about this virus and concentrate our efforts on policies that make sense. And policies that say it is OK to sit next to other players on the bench during a game, but not in the same hotel room don't. The difference in viral loads is well below the threshold for infection, so either way you will pass the virus on (and the same HVAC that is circulating the air in their room is circulating that same air throughout the whole hotel). Masks have proven to be startlingly ineffective at reducing transmission in some circumstances (once again, see the CDC's own reports of who gets infected and where), and very effective in others. Creating policies that don't take these realities into account are doomed to fail.

Ovechkin's wife is perfectly right to sneer at the faux-science behind such nonsensical distinctions. What is the NHL's goal? If it is to eliminate transmission of COVID, then don't play! If it is to reduce transmission, then create policies that will work, not just look good (which is what their policies are based on now)...

Limiting contact beyond the game is a calculated move designed to hopefully continue the season. If exposure time matters then hanging out in hotel rooms is a big risk that's not necessary.

I'm not sure what your comment about hotel HVAC means but if you're talking about what's fact and what's unknown, there is little or no evidence showing circulated air from room to room spreads the virus. I'm not aware of any evidence at all and everything I've read states while RNA traces are found in return vents and filters there's no proof people in room A can get sick from people down the hall in room D.

But there IS plenty of evidence showing that sitting around in a room with X number of air changes per hour results in Y amount of time to clear the room to 99% "clean" and virus free.

Community, Work, and School

Air | Appendix | Environmental Guidelines | Guidelines Library | Infection Control | CDC

Is being on the bench or playing hockey as bad or worse than sitting in a hotel room? Doesn't even matter. We know it's bad enough to limit it IF we want to try and reduce the exposure necessary to play the game.

Again, if you value f***ing around in the hotel more than trying to lessen the risks, then cancel the season.

 

[Marshall]

Now tat LeBrun says the Caps have asked CLB @ PLD...

I would love him on the team, and I'd give up a lot to get him. I've said before that I start at Kuznetsov, a 1st, and Lapierre. They want a young d in there? That's cool. The only piece I try and protect is McMichael.

 

[Calicaps]

Now tat LeBrun says the Caps have asked CLB @ PLD...

I would love him on the team, and I'd give up a lot to get him. I've said before that I start at Kuznetsov, a 1st, and Lapierre. They want a young d in there? That's cool. The only piece I try and protect is McMichael.

I'd hate to trade away too much from the cupboard. It'll get bare pretty fast.

 

[AlexBrovechkin8]

I'd hate to trade away too much from the cupboard. It'll get bare pretty fast.

True, but PLD is 22 years old and a #1C. I'd try to steer them towards Feverbaby or Alexeyev given the depth we have on defense but I wouldn't say no if they insisted on Lapierre.

 

[Langway]

CBJ did pass on Lapierre for Chinakhov despite organizational weakness at the center position so not sure they're too high on him. I'd meet that price, though. Not sure I'd add Fehervary/Alexeyev but that sort of energetic two-way C would be an ideal top six fit as Backstrom ages and also very likely be a preferred fit for Laviolette. Panik also seems like the sort of winger they'd like, although I don't how far they want to dip into LTIR.

If Montreal includes Kotkaniemi I'd imagine they're the clubhouse leaders.

 

[tenken00]

CBJ did pass on Lapierre for Chinakhov despite organizational weakness at the center position so not sure they're too high on him. I'd meet that price, though. Not sure I'd add Fehervary/Alexeyev but that sort of energetic two-way C would be an ideal top six fit as Backstrom ages and also very likely be a preferred fit for Laviolette. Panik also seems like the sort of winger they'd like, although I don't how far they want to dip into LTIR.

If Montreal includes Kotkaniemi I'd imagine they're the clubhouse leaders.

Does Montreal really need another young C? I get that Denault's contract is up after this year, but they have such good young C depth behind Denault with Suzuki and Kotkaniemi. Young yes. But high-end

 

[Carlzner]

Dubois to Habs is just a no brainer. Perfect fit.

If Kotkaniemi would be the ask that should be an easy yes. I think they should even do Suzuki if that's the lowest CBJ will go, but Habs fans seem to disagree.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Actually there is PLENTY of science to support that. For one, minimizing the cumulative amount of time they spend together without masks decreases the risk, that is indisputable. It's like people asking "why should I wear a mask in a restaurant if I'm going to take it off while eating?". Ah, it's a matter of simple statistics. Wearing a mask 50% of the time is better than wearing it 0% of the time. Also, in a hotel room they will be all facing each other (presumably) and there will be more chatter, which increases the risk. Finally, in one scenario it's very feasible to wear it, in the other it is not.

Nobody is saying not to have a social life, just wear the freaking mask. They didn't and knew the rules. There is no hypocrisy.

the real absurdity of it all is the continued arguing against it...

 

[AZ Caps Fan]

There is no way you give Kuznetsov away for nothing.

I agree. But maybe Mac could pry away draft picks in exchange for leaving Kuz unprotected.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

I agree. But maybe Mac could pry away draft picks in exchange for leaving Kuz unprotected.

hard pass....would just keep Kuzy.

 

[Holtbyisms]

We don't have the assets for PLD if they're looking for scoring help right away unless you're giving Kuzy up. Not so sure that makes 8 very happy either if that were to happen. He's probably already annoyed with the recent covid incident. Don't want him to flee over spilled milk.

We'd have to wipe the cupboard with futures to score him and that's only if CBJ wants futures.

 

[tenken00]

We don't have the assets for PLD if they're looking for scoring help right away unless you're giving Kuzy up. Not so sure that makes 8 very happy either if that were to happen. He's probably already annoyed with the recent covid incident. Don't want him to flee over spilled milk.

We'd have to wipe the cupboard with futures to score him and that's only if CBJ wants futures.

Hockey trade, and the fact that to work another C into our roster with our (zero) cap space would certainly mean it's Kuznetsov that would have to be dealt (CBJ would be looking for another C after trading theirs away).

 

[Langway]

We don't have the assets for PLD if they're looking for scoring help right away unless you're giving Kuzy up. Not so sure that makes 8 very happy either if that were to happen. He's probably already annoyed with the recent covid incident. Don't want him to flee over spilled milk.

On the other hand, Dubois has a lower AAV this year and next and it allows them to pay 8 more. He knows it's a business and if that helps the later he'll deal.

 

[searle]

I don't think the caps will end up offering the best deal here, but man I'd love Backy-PLD-Eller for a few years and then getting CMM in the mix.....

Let's be real, Kuzy will have CBJ on his NTC list, so it would probably hurt.... But Kuzy + LaPierre/AA/hopefully a worse prospect/pick and I'd probably do it.

 

[Devil Dancer]

Has the NHL committed to returning to previous divisions post-covid? In other words, do we know if WSH and CBJ will be in the same division next year?

Could affect trade negotiations.

 

[AZ Caps Fan]

hard pass....would just keep Kuzy.

I do want them to keep him but not if continues to underachieve.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

I do want them to keep him but not if continues to underachieve.

I still would not trade him for only picks. Needs to be a hockey trade.

 

[Corby78]

I don't think the caps will end up offering the best deal here, but man I'd love Backy-PLD-Eller for a few years and then getting CMM in the mix.....

Let's be real, Kuzy will have CBJ on his NTC list, so it would probably hurt.... But Kuzy + LaPierre/AA/hopefully a worse prospect/pick and I'd probably do it.

Would the caps still inquire if CBJ is indeed on the NTC list? I don't know maybe they would, but seems like a waste of time if kuzy would just nix it.

 

[tenken00]

From the Athletic:

Blue Jackets' Dubois vows to be better, Tortorella sick of 'prima donna stuff'

In a quick canvas of NHL front offices on Friday, sources told The Athletic that Colorado, Los Angeles, Montreal, the New York Rangers and Winnipeg were seen as the most likely suitors for Dubois, with the Blue Jackets seeking a return of an NHL roster player, a top prospect and a high draft pick.

 

[searle]

Would the caps still inquire if CBJ is indeed on the NTC list? I don't know maybe they would, but seems like a waste of time if kuzy would just nix it.

He's not the only asset we could be trading.

Not against trading Kuzy to a team for assets to facilitate the trade, hope we don't give up someone like Vrana.

 

[um]

I'd hate to trade away too much from the cupboard. It'll get bare pretty fast.

Dubois is only 22. But I hear ya.

My preference is still get Ovie and Backstrom as many cups as possible.

 

[EroCaps]

Nope, not interested in another prima donna, if that's what's going with PLD. We already have that in Kuzy.

I'd much rather do something for Barkov.

 

[um]

He's not the only asset we could be trading.

Not against trading Kuzy to a team for assets to facilitate the trade, hope we don't give up someone like Vrana.

I’d take Dubois over Vrana without hesitation.

 

[searle]

I’d take Dubois over Vrana without hesitation.

Don't disagree, but who'd be our 2LW then? Kuzy? CMM? Panik?

Don't like those options. Think Kuzy has to go firstly for the locker room refresh and secondly to open a hole in the lineup.