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[rypper]

Still can't fathom why Tocchet at times plays 'mind-games' with certain players....and Hoglander seems to be one of his favorites.

The reason the Canucks aren't scoring has very little to do with Hoglander. As for PDG, he isn't likely to score a goal no matter how games he plays.

Maybe the coach figures that calling out Hoglander will somehow motivate him.....but the Canucks problems in these playoffs have very little to do with a kid like Hoglander. It's their defense, which is just being caved in right now.

Are we watching the same games?

 

[VanJack]

Are we watching the same games?

I've watched every game, and the fact is the Canucks have been badly outplayed at times in both series. They were force to come back in the third period twice to win against the Preds and trailed 4-1 early on in game one against Edmonton.

The Canucks have played from behind consistently, and are close to setting a dubious NHL record for the least recorded shots in the Cup playoffs.

The last time I looked that hardly falls on Hoglander. As far their entire forward group other than Boeser, the well has gone dry.

 

[rypper]

I've watched every game, and the fact is the Canucks have been badly outplayed at times in both series. They were force to come back in the third period twice to win against the Preds and trailed 4-1 early on in game one against Edmonton.

The Canucks have played from behind consistently, and are close to setting a dubious NHL record for the least recorded shots in the Cup playoffs.

The last time I looked that hardly falls on Hoglander. As far their entire forward group other than Boeser, the well has gone dry.

The defense hasn't been getting caved in.

 

[Izzy Goodenough]

Any who:
their systems play is basically identical to the way Lost Wages played last year in winning the Lord Stanley.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

should target tyler bertuzzi. size speed and can play net presence. thats IF joshsua leaves. and goes for money elsewhere

Assuming we don't get Guenztal, I'd target Bertuzzi regardless. There's a decent chance in signs at 5 or thereabouts on a longer term deal. If I recall, term is what he really wanted but no one offered it. Hence the one year Leaf deal.

Putting him with Miller or Pettersson could do wonders for another Joshua like player in our lineup.

 

[LemonSauceD]

I wonder if Colton and Whitecloud could be had for a couple 2nds or 3rds. Vegas needs to clear a defenseman and Colton is 100% a cap casualty so they can sign Mittlestadt.

This is where a potential Hronek trade could come handy although I don’t mind using our 2025-2027 2nds or 3rds to get them.

Some other cap casualties include:

Cirelli
Raddysh
Paul
Hague
Theodore
Hartman
Middleton
Laughton
Couturier
Farabee
Pageau
Pulock
Pelech
Lindgren
Chytil
Chychrun
Zub
Batherson
Strome
Wilson
Dowd

 

[David71]

id take laughton as 3rd C if blueger leaves. shows more offensive skills and can score. or chandler stephanson.. hopefully van finds another RHC if lindholm bolts. bottom lines get 2 righties. balance it out. time to search for petterson a winger this offseason. forget jake guenztel lots of suitors will be interested in getting him.

 

[credulous]

i went to ~30 vegas games this year and want nothing to do with stephenson. not sure whitecloud is worth pursuing either tho he might be worth the risk

 

[theguardianII]

The only problem with huge defenders is they tend to be slow mobility wise in some situations. Starting to get exposed, we can't get out to the permitter to make checks and then we just let them set up.

But little guys can't check if they do get out there and can't box out in front of the net either. It is the system that keeps the big guys in the middle of the ice, the high danger scoring areas, the slot.

Still can't fathom why Tocchet at times plays 'mind-games' with certain players....and Hoglander seems to be one of his favorites.

The reason the Canucks aren't scoring has very little to do with Hoglander. As for PDG, he isn't likely to score a goal no matter how games he plays.

Maybe the coach figures that calling out Hoglander will somehow motivate him.....but the Canucks problems in these playoffs have very little to do with a kid like Hoglander. It's their defense, which is just being caved in right now.

The Canuck problems this playoffs? Really? Winning is a problem? So far 6 wins and 3 losses is bad?
The GA is pretty much the best of all the teams in the playoffs, that is bad?

I've watched every game, and the fact is the Canucks have been badly outplayed at times in both series. They were force to come back in the third period twice to win against the Preds and trailed 4-1 early on in game one against Edmonton.

The Canucks have played from behind consistently, and are close to setting a dubious NHL record for the least recorded shots in the Cup playoffs.

The last time I looked that hardly falls on Hoglander. As far their entire forward group other than Boeser, the well has gone dry.

But they won right? Ever hear of The Rumble in the Jungle? Rope a Dope?
This reduction in scoring started right around the allstar break. I posted then it might be a change in the system.
The Oilers have, without a doubt, two of the top 5 players in the world and are losing. And you have issues with the Canucks winning?
IMO these playoffs are winnowing out the players to keep and the wee one's that are not doing well. The Canucks have one of the biggest defences in the playoffs and are winning. WINNING.

Assuming we don't get Guenztal, I'd target Bertuzzi regardless. There's a decent chance in signs at 5 or thereabouts on a longer term deal. If I recall, term is what he really wanted but no one offered it. Hence the one year Leaf deal.

Putting him with Miller or Pettersson could do wonders for another Joshua like player in our lineup.

Bertuzzi is too expensive and playing on a reputation, Guenztal is too old and will be too expensive for a long term contract.
No more retirement contracts here please.

But maybe revisiting Pettersson trade ideas might not be a bad idea. He will still reap a harvest.
Getting a lot of confidence in Rutherford/Allvin.

I like Hoglander a lot. Maybe he just needs more experience for playoffs or the system doesn't suit his natural game. But he does attack and is cheap.

Looking at the way Lindholm, Garland and Joshua play together they have taken over the 2nd unit designation IMO relegating Pettersson down to the 3rd line.

I wonder if Hughes can put on 20bs of muscle and still be a water bug out there.

 

[ManVanFan]

Hronek has been playing "fine" but fine doesn't get you 8M a year. Push comes to shove on that contract situation, I would happily put his 8M a year towards Myers and Tanev.

Potential Hronek trade with Montreal for Wpg 1st, Col 2nd and Justin Barron.

 

[ManVanFan]

But maybe revisiting Pettersson trade ideas might not be a bad idea. He will still reap a harvest.
Getting a lot of confidence in Rutherford/Allvin.

Finding players like Petey is hard and as most will say, the team trading the best player usually loses those trades. Petey isn't his self right now.

Petey is on the edge of that next playoff performers.
Younger players with a higher PPG than Petey (.44) so far. Johnston, Laffy, Jarvis, Byfield, Lundell, Lappierre, Lohrei, Protas, Bouchard, Svechnikov, Hughes, Fehervary.

From his own draft class Makar, Heiskanen, Mittelstadt, Robertson, Vilardi, Necas, Anderson, Luostarinen.

There would be a few less if you took his .50 ppg from first round only, many of those players that were out in the first round.

117 players with .44 or higher PPG so far in the playoffs. 118 including Petey and but only 20 are Petey's age or younger.

Pretty well all of those younger players are also playing with much better players than Hoglander and Mikheyev.

 

[Tinhorn1]

Finding players like Petey is hard and as most will say, the team trading the best player usually loses those trades. Petey isn't his self right now.

Petey is on the edge of that next playoff performers.
Younger players with a higher PPG than Petey (.44) so far. Johnston, Laffy, Jarvis, Byfield, Lundell, Lappierre, Lohrei, Protas, Bouchard, Svechnikov, Hughes, Fehervary.

From his own draft class Makar, Heiskanen, Mittelstadt, Robertson, Vilardi, Necas, Anderson, Luostarinen.

There would be a few less if you took his .50 ppg from first round only, many of those players that were out in the first round.

117 players with .44 or higher PPG so far in the playoffs. 118 including Petey and but only 20 are Petey's age or younger.

Pretty well all of those younger players are also playing with much better players than Hoglander and Mikheyev.

Pettersson has been poor offensively but he's also been unlucky in his linemates. Unquestionably his number would look better with at least one regular top-six player beside him at even strength. I mean, Miller is having a much better playoffs than him, obviously. How would Miller's 5 on 5 numbers look with Mikheyev and Hoglander on his wings? Probably only slightly better than Pettersson's. Mikheyev can't score. Hoglander doesn't even get into position to score. Neither one finds Pettersson with space and in a good scoring position. Pettersson needs to be better, certainly, but he also hasn't exactly been put in a position to pile up the points.

 

[CanucksSayEh]

Gotta take a chance with Nuke if the Avs turf his contract.

Avs fans are completely done with Rantanen as well.

 

[rypper]

Gotta take a chance with Nuke if the Avs turf his contract.

Avs fans are completely done with Rantanen as well.

Why would you want that baggage?

 

[B-rock]

Are we watching the same games?

The defence other than Hughes who is getting abused, hasn’t shown much in the way of holding onto the puck in order to make a good pass out of the zone. Zadorov occasionally.
The goto play is flip it out so EDM can skate it right back in. Rinse and repeat.

 

[Nuckles]

Gotta take a chance with Nuke if the Avs turf his contract.

Avs fans are completely done with Rantanen as well.

Do you want him knowing that if he relapses again he'll be gone for at least one year and may never play again



I can't imagine any playoff team would want him with anything more than a hugely discounted short-term contract

 

[JAK]

Oilers will probably sign him, then he will be protected from suspension.

 

[rypper]

The defence other than Hughes who is getting abused, hasn’t shown much in the way of holding onto the puck in order to make a good pass out of the zone. Zadorov occasionally.
The goto play is flip it out so EDM can skate it right back in. Rinse and repeat.

They're not getting caved in.

 

[ManVanFan]

Pettersson has been poor offensively but he's also been unlucky in his linemates. Unquestionably his number would look better with at least one regular top-six player beside him at even strength. I mean, Miller is having a much better playoffs than him, obviously. How would Miller's 5 on 5 numbers look with Mikheyev and Hoglander on his wings? Probably only slightly better than Pettersson's. Mikheyev can't score. Hoglander doesn't even get into position to score. Neither one finds Pettersson with space and in a good scoring position. Pettersson needs to be better, certainly, but he also hasn't exactly been put in a position to pile up the points.

Does need a better winger, one that has much more potential than Mikky. At least there is still upside to Hoglander.

 

[Josepho]

EvolvingWild's contract projections are out:

Hronek: 4x6.318
Lindholm: 7x7.935
Blueger: 2x1.808
Lafferty: 1x1.116
Joshua: 2x2.049
Myers: 1x2.360
Zadorov: 3x4.001
Cole: 1x2.496
Friedman: 1x0.804
Desmith: 1x1.485
Silovs: 1x0.775

These don't feel particularly accurate to me. especially Joshua, probably because he's been a late bloomer. I'd gladly do all of these deals (in a vacuum) aside from Cole/Lindholm/Desmith

 

[David71]

sean walker for rhd is a ufa could take a look at him? undersized puckmover

 

[sandwichbird2023]

EvolvingWild's contract projections are out:

Hronek: 4x6.318
Lindholm: 7x7.935
Blueger: 2x1.808
Lafferty: 1x1.116
Joshua: 2x2.049
Myers: 1x2.360
Zadorov: 3x4.001
Cole: 1x2.496
Friedman: 1x0.804
Desmith: 1x1.485
Silovs: 1x0.775

These don't feel particularly accurate to me. especially Joshua, probably because he's been a late bloomer. I'd gladly do all of these deals (in a vacuum) aside from Cole/Lindholm/Desmith

Zadorov and Joshua are steals at that price. Don't see this being too realistic.

 

[arttk]

EvolvingWild's contract projections are out:

Hronek: 4x6.318
Lindholm: 7x7.935
Blueger: 2x1.808
Lafferty: 1x1.116
Joshua: 2x2.049
Myers: 1x2.360
Zadorov: 3x4.001
Cole: 1x2.496
Friedman: 1x0.804
Desmith: 1x1.485
Silovs: 1x0.775

These don't feel particularly accurate to me. especially Joshua, probably because he's been a late bloomer. I'd gladly do all of these deals (in a vacuum) aside from Cole/Lindholm/Desmith

Hronek at that price is good, I think zad will need like 6 year term.
silovs at like 8xxk for 2 years would help the cap crunch a lot.

 

[Bobby9]

If we are signing Z then I hope we sign Dillon.

Hes just as abrasive as Z but will throw hands more often and also has the size. Would really set us up on the back end for the type of player I like.

Hughes - ?
Soucy - Z
Myers - Dillon

 

[mathonwy]

Of course I do! I update the spreadsheet daily. I use CapFriendly to create this list and AFP Analytics for the contract projections.

Spoiler: UFAs By Position

Top-6 Forwards
Sam Reinhart	RW	28	8y/10.25m
Jake Guentzel	W	29	6y/7.94m
Steven Stamkos	LW/C	34	3y/6.30m
Jonathan Marchessault	W	33	3y/6.25m
Joe Pavelski	RW	39	1y/3.94m
Matt Duchene	RW/C	33	3y/6.46m
Sean Monahan	FW	29	3y/2.87m
Tyler Toffoli	W	32	5y/6.53m
Jonathan Drouin	W	29	4y/4.46m
Teuvo Teravainen	W	29	5y/6.13m
Vladimir Tarasenko	RW	32	3y/5.64m
Adam Henrique	LW/C	34	2y/4.60m
Chandler Stephenson	C/LW	30	5y/5.77m
Max Domi	C/RW	29	3y/4.17m
Patrick Kane	RW	35	2y/5.51m
Elias Lindholm	C/RW	29	7y/8.04m
Anthony Mantha	W	29	3y/4.40m
Daniel Sprong	W	27	3y/3.89m
Jake DeBrusk	W	27	5y/5.92m
David Perron	W	36	2y/2.80m
Tyler Bertuzzi	W	29	5y/6.00m
Anthony Duclair	W	28	3y/3.22m
Jason Zucker	W	32	3y/5.46m
Jack Roslovic	C/RW	27	3y/3.11m
Max Pacioretty	LW	35
Alexander Barabanov	W	30	3y/3.03m

Top-4 Defecemen
Shayne Gostisbehere	LD/RD	31	3y/4.38m
Brady Skjei	LD	30	6y/7.39m
Noah Hanifin	LD	27	7y/7.69m
Brandon Montour	RD	30	7y/8.71m
Oliver Ekman-Larsson	LD	32	3y/3.67m
Dylan DeMelo	RD	31	4y/5.07m
Sean Walker	LD/RD	29	4y/4.87m
Matt Roy	RD	29	4y/5.58m
TJ Brodie	LD/RD	34	3y/4.91m
Brenden Dillon	LD	33	2y/3.91m
Alexandre Carrier	RD	27	3y/3.57m
Nikita Zadorov	LD/RD	29	4y/5.10m
Chris Tanev	RD	34	3y/4.68m
Brett Pesce	RD	29	6y/6.72m
Matt Grzelcyk	LD	30	3y/4.07m
Oliver Kylington	LD/RD	27

Bottom-6 Forwards
James van Riemsdyk	W	35	1y/1.50m
Warren Foegele	W	28	4y/3.58m
Stefan Noesen	W	31	2y/3.23m
Danton Heinen	W	28
Tyler Johnson	FW	33
Alexander Wennberg	C	29	4y/4.21m
Jordan Martinook	W	31	2y/2.79m
Dakota Joshua	LW	28	3y/3.00m
Michael Amadio	W	28
Teddy Blueger	C/LW	29	2y/2.56m
Sam Lafferty	FW	29	2y/1.72m
Kiefer Sherwood	W	29
Mike Hoffman	LW	34	1y/1.86m
Tomas Tatar	W	33	1y/2.21m
Kyle Okposo	RW	36	1y/1.96m
Kasperi Kapanen	RW	27
Andrew Cogliano	LW	37
Jakob Silfverberg	W	33	2y/2.78m
Cal Clutterbuck	RW	36
Corey Perry	RW	39
Patrick Maroon	W	36
Yakov Trenin	LW/C	27	3y/3.33m
Dominik Kubalik	W	28	2y/1.34m
Anthony Beauvillier	W	27
Sam Carrick	C/RW	32
Tanner Pearson	LW	31
Zemgus Girgensons	LW/C	30	2y/1.74m
Colin Blackwell	C/RW	31
Brandon Duhaime	W	27
Nick Cousins	LW/C	30
Connor Brown	W	30
Joel Kiviranta	W	28
William Carrier	LW	29	3y/2.68m
Tyler Motte	W	29	3y/2.55m
Samuel Blais	W	28	1y/0.94m
Tyson Jost	C	26

Bottom-Pairing Defencemen
Erik Gustafsson	LD	32	3y/4.99m
Tyler Myers	RD	34	2y/2.67m
Justin Schultz	RD	33	2y/3.81m
Kevin Shattenkirk	RD	35	1y/1.37m
Jalen Chatfield	RD	28	3y/2.77m
Mike Reilly	LD	30	1y/1.24m
Dmitry Kulikov	LD/RD	33
Alec Martinez	LD	36	1y/1.7m
Tyson Barrie	RD	32	2y/3.72m
Jani Hakanpaa	RD	32	2y/2.38m
Vincent Desharnais	RD	28	2y/1.41m
Ian Cole	LD/RD	35	2y/3.09m
Matt Dumba	RD	29	3y/3.73m
Colin Miller	RD	31
Mark Giordano	LD	40	1y/3.11m
Marco Scandella	LD	34
Calvin De Haan	LD/RD	33
Josh Brown	RD	30
Ilya Lyubushkin	RD	30	1y/1.31m
Joel Edmundson	LD/RD	31
Troy Stecher	RD	30
Derek Forbort	LD	32
Erik Johnson	RD	36	1y/1.13m

Forward Depth
Christian Fischer	W	27
Craig Smith	RW	34
Victor Olofsson	W	28
Trevor Lewis	RW/C	37
Justin Bailey	RW	29
Kevin Stenlund	C/RW	27
Jeff Carter	RW/C	39
Ryan Carpenter	RW/C	33
Nicolas Aube-Kubel	RW	28	2y/1.53m
AJ Greer	W	27
Liam O'Brien	W	29
Chris Tierney	C	30
Mattias Janmark	W	31
Sam Gagner	RW/C	34
Brendan Smith	LD/RD	35
Eric Robinson	LW	29
Zach Parise	LW	39
Kevin Labanc	W	28	2y/1.94m
Fredrik Olofsson	C/LW	28
Alex Barre-Boulet	W	27
Matt Martin	W	35
Radim Zohorna	W	28
Pierre-Edouard Bellemare	C/LW	39
Tyler Pitlick	RW	32
Austin Watson	W	32
Tomas Nosek	LW/C	31
Jansen Harkins	LW	27
Rourke Chartier	C	28
Steven Lorentz	FW	28

Defensive Depth
Jack Johnson	LD	37
Vincent Desharnais	RD	28	2y/1.41m
Anthony Deangelo	RD	28	2y/1.80m
Jarred Tinordi	LD	32
Sebastian Aho	LD	28
Dakota Mermis	LD/RD	30
Jacob MacDonald	LD/RD	31
Dennis Gilbert	LD	27
Nikita Zaitsev	RD	32
Nick DeSimone	RD	29
Travis Dermott	LD/RD	27
Caleb Jones	LD/RD	27
Chad Ruhwedel	RD	34
William Lageson	LD/RD	28

Goaltenders
Cam Talbot	G	36	1y/1.89m
Ilya Samsonov	G	27	2y/3.26m
Alex Nedeljkovic	G	28	2y/2.00m
Kaapo Kahkonen	G	27	2y/2.93m
Scott Wedgewood	G	31	2y/1.57m
Casey DeSmith	G	32	1y/2.02m
Anthony Stolarz	G	30	2y/1.91m
James Reimar	G	36
Antti Raanta	G	35	1y/1.31m
David Rittich	G	31
Kevin Lankinen	G	29	1y/1.58m
Laurent Brossoit	G	31	2y/1.95m
Calvin Pickard	G	32
Martin Jones	G	34

This definitely should be pinned.