Sportsnet: Canucks arent interested in paying JT Miller more than 8mil per season. Trade is Looking more likely than extension this summer

[UrbanImpact]

It seems that the Canucks have a hard firm price on what they are willing to pay Miller for an extension this summer. It sounds like its way under market value and a figure that Miller would have to be giving a major major hometeam discount for to sign. I wouldnt blame Miller if he doesnt sign for a discount, he has earned this pay day and it will probably be his last big one for his career. The only way i see Miller being a Canuck past next season if he absolutely LOVES living in Vancouver. I also dont blame the Canucks for not wanting to break the bank for a then 30 yr old Power Forward.


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[NyQuil]

It's a tough line to take but likely the correct one given Miller's age.

You can ask for 8M if you're looking at 3 years.

A career year when you're trying to land the most important contract of your professional career?

I think you have to be a bit dubious.

 

[UrbanImpact]

In the open market,

I think a team would be willing to offer Miller 7 years at 8.5

If the report is true and the Canucks arent willing to go past 8 million for 7 years then Miller would be walking away from 5-8 million dollars total if he chose to stay in Vancouver.

Vancouver is beautiful and a world class city to live in but to talk away from 5-8mil??? I dont see it happening for Miller who has been massively underpaid.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

In the open market,

I think a team would be willing to offer Miller 7 years at 8.5

If the report is true and the Canucks arent willing to go past 8 million for 7 years then Miller would be walking away from 5-8 million dollars total if he chose to stay in Vancouver.

Vancouver is beautiful and a world class city to live in but to talk away from 5-8mil??? I dont see it happening for Miller who has been massively underpaid.

Now that will be a Gallagher-esque deal by the end of it.

 

[UrbanImpact]

Now that will be a Gallagher-esque deal by the end of it.

Maybe but I think Miller will be productive until he is at least 33 yrs old. If he can bring high end production and maybe a Stanley Cup in the next 5 years to whoever signs him then i dont think the team will care about the last 2-3 years of his contract.

Remember, Miller doesnt have a lot of "mileage" on his body. He was used in complimentary roles in NYR and Tbay and not getting much ice time. Its only been the last couple of years where he has been put in all situation and playing 20 min a night.

 

[MBH]

Miller's been great.
But he'll be 30 years old when that next contract starts.
With a slowly rising cap and teams committing so much coin to their young stars, the days of $8M year a year until you're 37 or 38 are coming to an end.
He might get
$8Mx4 - $32M
or $7,5x5 - $37,5M
Or $7x6. - $42M

So, say he takes the $8x4. That's $32M.
At 34 years old, what kind of contract does he get?
If he's great, probably $8.5x4
Sweet, now he's made $66M.

What if he slips? Probably $3.5x2.
So now he's down to $39.

What if he gets hurt and stumbles?
Maybe nothing?

Maybe he should wait. Penguins might be looking for a Malkin replacement

 

[Deen]

Someone is going to regret paying him imo.

 

[KovalchukFistPump]

Why does everything need to be 7 or 8 years? Bring back the good old 3 or 4 year contracts.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

giving 8m is fine but more than 3 years is a disaster at his age.

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

Why does everything need to be 7 or 8 years? Bring back the good old 3 or 4 year contracts.

Because why sign your 4 year contract offer when this GM is offering 7 years?

 

[Szechwan]

I think you can get away with $8m if its under 5 years. Beyond that you're in real trouble. He'd likely be a bit overpaid for the final year or two, but he'd provide >$8m value in the first 3, so it probably a wash.

 

[bossram]

This is a good thing. The Canucks should not be re-signing him.

Allvin really should have moved him at the TDL.

 

[leafsafc]

If Hyman got we he did, Miller will get what he wants

 

[Rebels57]

Miller's been great.
But he'll be 30 years old when that next contract starts.
With a slowly rising cap and teams committing so much coin to their young stars, the days of $8M year a year until you're 37 or 38 are coming to an end.
He might get
$8Mx4 - $32M
or $7,5x5 - $37,5M
Or $7x6. - $42M

So, say he takes the $8x4. That's $32M.
At 34 years old, what kind of contract does he get?
If he's great, probably $8.5x4
Sweet, now he's made $66M.

What if he slips? Probably $3.5x2.
So now he's down to $39.

What if he gets hurt and stumbles?
Maybe nothing?

Maybe he should wait. Penguins might be looking for a Malkin replacement

That's Chuck Fletcher's music!

I can see him trading JVR (1 year left at $7 million) for Millers rights, dramatically overpaying him, and then Vancouver flipping JVR for a decent pick at the deadline after boosting his value playing him with Petterson or Horvat.

 

[Boondock]

That's Chuck Fletcher's music!

I can see him trading JVR (1 year left at $7 million) for Millers rights, dramatically overpaying him, and then Vancouver flipping JVR for a decent pick at the deadline after boosting his value playing him with Petterson or Horvat.

Miller is still under contract through next year. Miller will get significantly more than JVR.

 

[UrbanImpact]

Miller's been great.
But he'll be 30 years old when that next contract starts.
With a slowly rising cap and teams committing so much coin to their young stars, the days of $8M year a year until you're 37 or 38 are coming to an end.
He might get
$8Mx4 - $32M
or $7,5x5 - $37,5M
Or $7x6. - $42M

So, say he takes the $8x4. That's $32M.
At 34 years old, what kind of contract does he get?
If he's great, probably $8.5x4
Sweet, now he's made $66M.

What if he slips? Probably $3.5x2.
So now he's down to $39.

What if he gets hurt and stumbles?
Maybe nothing?

Maybe he should wait. Penguins might be looking for a Malkin replacement

Theres no way Miller get anything under 5 years.

Teams will always gamble on big name free agents with long term contracts especially when there are teams like Arizona who is willing to eat bad contracts for draft picks.

 

[UrbanImpact]

This is a good thing. The Canucks should not be re-signing him.

Allvin really should have moved him at the TDL.

NO, TDL would have been a bad move.

Why limit your buyers to only playoff contenders most of which have been going for it for a while now so they have bad prospect pools...

In the off-season the Canucks will potentially doubly the buyers list. Teams like Ottawa, Buffalo, Detroit etc might feel they are done rebuilding and want to add a centre piece like Miller. Its also much easier for teams to figure out their cap situations in the off-season rather than mid-season to determine their interest in Miller.

The return is already going to be massive, but if the Canucks do the following 2 things, then the return can be astronomical..

1. Retain 50%, making Miller at 2.6 mil AAV this season
2. Allow the trading team to negotiation a long term contract extension with Miller before finalizing the trade.

 

[BenningHurtsMySoul]

Need to move him at the draft IMO.

 

[blankall]

Why does everything need to be 7 or 8 years? Bring back the good old 3 or 4 year contracts.

This likely Miller's last chance at a big contract. He'll want as much term as possible. Miller is an upcoming UFA and the one holding all the cards. It has to be 7-8 years, because that's what the upcoming and high in demand UFA wants. This Miller's only opportunity to cash out. After this contract he'll likely have regressed. Taking a 4 year contract would be dumb. No one is going to go to him in 4 years and offer him more money and then thank him for taking a more reasonable contract earlier.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

This likely Miller's last chance at a big contract. He'll want as much term as possible. Miller is an upcoming UFA and the one holding all the cards. It has to be 7-8 years, because that's what the upcoming and high in demand UFA wants. This Miller's only opportunity to cash out. After this contract he'll likely have regressed. Taking a 4 year contract would be dumb. No one is going to go to him in 4 years and offer him more money and then thank him for taking a more reasonable contract earlier.

Not since MB was fired.

 

[The Nuge]

This seems reasonable from both sides. If you’re Miller, you’re looking at Pettersson making 7.35 and point out how drastically you’ve outscored him since coming to Vancouver, and if you’re Vancouver you’re saying but he’s 23, and you’ll be 30 when the deal starts. 8.5x5 seems like the type of deal that should be doable for both sides if Miller wanted to stay. But it’s hard to imagine someone wouldn’t take a gamble on a deal like 8x7, and 13.5 million is hard to walk away from

 

[bossram]

NO, TDL would have been a bad move.

Why limit your buyers to only playoff contenders most of which have been going for it for a while now so they have bad prospect pools...

In the off-season the Canucks will potentially doubly the buyers list. Teams like Ottawa, Buffalo, Detroit etc might feel they are done rebuilding and want to add a centre piece like Miller. Its also much easier for teams to figure out their cap situations in the off-season rather than mid-season to determine their interest in Miller.

The return is already going to be massive, but if the Canucks do the following 2 things, then the return can be astronomical..

1. Retain 50%, making Miller at 2.6 mil AAV this season
2. Allow the trading team to negotiation a long term contract extension with Miller before finalizing the trade.

But Miller with two playoff runs would have been much more valuable to a contender than Miller with only one. Retention was always an option, the offseason makes no difference there.

Draft picks cost more to acquire at the draft. We always see inflated player costs at the TDL. I don't seriously see teams like OTT/BUF/DET being interested in Miller, and he probably isn't interested in them.

 

[Siludin]

As an American, doesn't Miller have to pay extra* tax by playing in Canada? It's always a major factor in keeping American players around for a long time.

 

[GeeoffBrown]

IMO Miller doesn't really fit the Canucks timeline anyway. Makes sense to get what they can for him

 

[UrbanImpact]

But Miller with two playoff runs would have been much more valuable to a contender than Miller with only one. Retention was always an option, the offseason makes no difference there.

Draft picks cost more to acquire at the draft. We always see inflated player costs at the TDL. I don't seriously see teams like OTT/BUF/DET being interested in Miller, and he probably isn't interested in them.

2 playoff runs is more valuable to how many teams? like 2-3 playoff teams willing to trade for him at TDL?

Value is always based on supply and demand.

Whatever value you think he would have added because he would have given 2 playoff runs will get matched or surpassed by the value he will get because there will be a bigger bidding war of teams interested in the off-season plus the opportunity to negotiate a long term contract with him before trading for him, given that the Canucks allow it, and why wouldnt they.