Can there be a tie for the Calder?

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  1. emjking

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    I was wondering if there has ever been or could be a tie for the Calder. There are I think 4 that should be clear cut frontrunners for the Calder based on play up to this date in time:

    AO
    Crosby
    H. Lundquist (sp)
    Phaneuf (sp)

    All the others such as Svatos, Prucha

    Is it paossible that their could be a 2 or 3 way tie?
     
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    It shouldn't be necessary not to turn this into a bash thread but I think AO is the clearcut front runner
     
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    No.

    There can only be one.
     
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    Its never happened before, I don't see why they'd start this year.
     
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    There can be only one "best."
     
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    It's possible but very unlikely.

    The members of the PHWA vote on the Calder. There were 105 voters last season and they get to fill out a ballot from 1st to 5th place, with varying amount of points for each placing.

    1st place - 10 points
    2nd place - 7 points
    3rd place - 5 points
    4th place - 3 ponts
    5th place - 1 point

    The player with the most points wins the award. And if there's a tie in the number of points, the player with the most 1st place votes will win the tiebreaker. So, as you can see it would take a bit of a fluke to tie for the award. Which, is why it has never happened before.

    As an aside, the closest Calder race ever was back in 1963 when Kent Douglas beat Doug Barkley by 1 point.
     
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    How did they ever decide who the least worst player was between those two?
     
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    There was never a reason for, there will never be a reason for and this year is no exception. The trophy goes to THE BEST rookie of the year and not to the two best or 20 or any other number. As of now, there is simlpy no chance that Ovechkin doesn´t get it. Simply because he is one of the 3 or 4 most dominant players in the entire NHL. Sidney Crosby is not in that group of players because I don´t see the ability in him to win nearly every game by himself. In my mind Even Phaneuf, Svatos and Lundqvist are ahead of Crosby in this category.
     
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    would be fine with me if AO won, Pit would save bonus cash.
     
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    in that case, give Cindy 5 Calders.
     
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    No, there should be only one winner....

    At this point AO is in the lead, and I would put Lundqvist and Phaneuf ahead of Crosby (Sorry but I don't think the kid is ahead of these 3), Crosby and Svatos are 4 and 5.
     
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    Thanks for the info.
     
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    I´ve to add to my upper post, that I definitely believe Crosby will be a great impact player and franchise center - no question to me! But nearly 2 years younger than Ovechkin who is already a franchise winger, it´s not a fair contest. Lets compare the 05/06 Ovechkin to the 07/08 Crosby, than we have answered the question who of this two is the better player. But the Calder goes to the best Rookie, and that´s very clearly Ovechkin.
    The only chance he wouldn´t get would be a standout playoff performance of Lundqvist or Phaneuf.
     
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    Not to take away from your opinion, but Lundqvist is now 1st in the league in save percentage and second in the league in goals against average. He's also on pace for over 30 wins.

    Right now I think it's AO by a hair, followed by Lundqvist. Crosby, Phaneuf and Svatos round out the top 5.
     
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    Lee Stempniak will win it.
     
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    The Calder SHOULD be given to the best rookie player this season. Not the rookie with the most hype or the most potential. So Crosby shouldn't win it.

    AO- has better numbers on a worse team and a slightly more complete player this year.
    Lundqvist- not the best rookie goalie, the best goalie period. He's #2.
    Phaneuf- close with Crosby. I'll give him the edge because it's very hard to play D as a rookie, especially a young rookie like him. Plays in all situations, complete player already, does put up points.
    Crosby- the biggest star, but not the best player yet.
    Svatos/Prucha- whichever ends up with more points gets the 5th place vote. They're basically the same player.
     
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    Playoffs do not factor in to Calder voting. It is based on regular season only. Conn Smythe is the playoff performance award.
     
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    I agree with this guy. Its obvious that the older player is more developed all around. Thats why everyone set the bar so high for Malkin when he was drafted being nearly 1 year younger than Ovechkin. Im a Pens fan but to be honest I prefer Ovechkin RIGHT NOW over Crosby. When The Croz is 20 we will compare how the stats match up.
     
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    No, you've got that confused with The Highlander.

    There can be like, 36 Calder Trophy winners.

    But only one Duncan MacCleod.
     
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  22. Svatos plays on a winning team, and has a crapload of big goals. He has as good a case as anyone.

    And then Lundvist complicates things by playing like the best goalie in the entire league.

    Ovechkins the best player, but I'd say Lundqvist or Svatos have had a bigger impact..
     
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    In the event of a tie, the player with the most first-place votes would get the award. This happened twice in 2002 with other awards: Iginla/Theodore for the Hart and Thedore/Roy for the Vezina. Not sure what the tie-breaker is after first-place ballots.

    There shouldn't be a tie-breaker. Ovechkin is the best rookie this year. Surrounding talent hasn't been the issue we thought it would be. In fact, Washington has a better record. Crosby is Pittsburgh's MVP, and many of the players around him have underperformed, or have even retired. But Crosby has better offensive talent around him than Ovechkin.

    Ovechkin has been more physical (not to say Crosby has been a shrinking violet). His offensive production has been better. He has been the better player, thus deserves ROTY.

    But keep in mind Ovechkin is 23 months older than Crosby. It might not seem like much to those unfamiliar with evaluating prospects, but 23 months is an eternity in terms of development for players 16-22. Ovechkin should be the better player in 2005-06. If he isn't, it would be very indicative of how these two careers will progress.

    Crosby is having the best season by a true 18-year-old rookie forward (a player who is 18 throughout his entire rookie year) since Dale Hawerchuk in 1981-82. Ovechkin should be the better player for the next two or three years. But once these two reach their mid-20s, and the two-year age gap becomes less of a factor, Crosby will be the better player.
     
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