Confirmed with Link: Campbell/Clifford to the leafs

[Fishhead]

Looking good to sell in the defensive market right now. I think the only way Quick moves is if a starter for an obvious playoff team goes down and they don't have confidence in their backup. His play has slid a bit but GM's know he is a playoff beast.

 

[crassbonanza]

Clifford could bring a 2nd, especially with retention.

I was completely shocked that Clifford pulled a 3rd. That was way beyond my expectations when looking at past deadline trades. I tried to find some recent comparables and these two were the best I could come up with.

Pat Maroon was traded for a 3rd round pick, he was coming off a 17-43 season and had 14-30 at the time he was traded.
Mark Letetsu was traded for a 4th round pick, he was coming off of a 16-35 season and had 8-19 at the time he was traded.

Clifford was traded for a 3rd(that can become a 2nd), he is coming off of a 11-21 season and has 6-14 now. Points aren't everything and Clifford provides great leadership and toughness, but 4th line winger rentals don't typically have a lot of value.

 

[BigKing]

I was completely shocked that Clifford pulled a 3rd. That was way beyond my expectations when looking at past deadline trades. I tried to find some recent comparables and these two were the best I could come up with.

Pat Maroon was traded for a 3rd round pick, he was coming off a 17-43 season and had 14-30 at the time he was traded.
Mark Letetsu was traded for a 4th round pick, he was coming off of a 16-35 season and had 8-19 at the time he was traded.

Clifford was traded for a 3rd(that can become a 2nd), he is coming off of a 11-21 season and has 6-14 now. Points aren't everything and Clifford provides great leadership and toughness, but 4th line winger rentals don't typically have a lot of value.

I thought he could pull a 2nd from the right contender, i.e. the contender would have to be young and in need of what Clifford actually brings on the ice along with the intangibles with the latter being important.

Clifford is a warrior and is as honest as they come. No bullshit with him. Good fit for a Leafs team that hasn't been able to win a playoff series since forever. Now, would Boston give up a 3rd for him? They don't need what he brings so no, they wouldn't.

I think every contender would like to have a Clifford available to them in the playoffs but a lot of them already have their version or they have experienced vets to the point where, yeah, they wouldn't give up much.

 

[YP44]

I was completely shocked that Clifford pulled a 3rd. That was way beyond my expectations when looking at past deadline trades. I tried to find some recent comparables and these two were the best I could come up with.

Pat Maroon was traded for a 3rd round pick, he was coming off a 17-43 season and had 14-30 at the time he was traded.
Mark Letetsu was traded for a 4th round pick, he was coming off of a 16-35 season and had 8-19 at the time he was traded.

Clifford was traded for a 3rd(that can become a 2nd), he is coming off of a 11-21 season and has 6-14 now. Points aren't everything and Clifford provides great leadership and toughness, but 4th line winger rentals don't typically have a lot of value.

ya you're probably right. In my head teams like to overpay for physical play come the playoff time and also for stanley cup pedigree.

 

[crassbonanza]

I thought he could pull a 2nd from the right contender, i.e. the contender would have to be young and in need of what Clifford actually brings on the ice along with the intangibles with the latter being important.

Clifford is a warrior and is as honest as they come. No bull**** with him. Good fit for a Leafs team that hasn't been able to win a playoff series since forever. Now, would Boston give up a 3rd for him? They don't need what he brings so no, they wouldn't.

I think every contender would like to have a Clifford available to them in the playoffs but a lot of them already have their version or they have experienced vets to the point where, yeah, they wouldn't give up much.

Like I said, I appreciate all of the intangibles that Cliffy has. He may be the f***ing intangibles King(heh) of the league, but intangibles are only worth so much. Just look at past trade deadlines, 4th liner winger rentals just don't go for 2nd round picks. Hell, even 2nd line wingers don't tend to go for 2nd round picks. Last season Simmonds was traded for Ryan Hartman, who the Flyers didn't even qualify this year. The Kings traded absolutely nothing for Iginla a few deadlines ago.

I honestly can't think of any Clifford comparable trades that ended up in a 2nd round pick or higher in recent memory.

 

[BigKing]

Like I said, I appreciate all of the intangibles that Cliffy has. He may be the ****ing intangibles King(heh) of the league, but intangibles are only worth so much. Just look at past trade deadlines, 4th liner winger rentals just don't go for 2nd round picks. Hell, even 2nd line wingers don't tend to go for 2nd round picks. Last season Simmonds was traded for Ryan Hartman, who the Flyers didn't even qualify this year. The Kings traded absolutely nothing for Iginla a few deadlines ago.

I honestly can't think of any Clifford comparable trades that ended up in a 2nd round pick or higher in recent memory.

This is why it had to be the right team. I thought he could possibly pull a 2nd from the right team but a 3rd is not surprising at all.

 

[crassbonanza]

ya you're probably right. In my head teams like to overpay for physical play come the playoff time and also for stanley cup pedigree.

I think they do overpay, relatively speaking. I just think teams are tighter with their picks lately.

Although, now that I was thinking about it Brian Boyle was traded for a 2nd, he does play center, but he is a relatively similar example. So, you are right that it happens occasionally.

 

[crassbonanza]

This is why it had to be the right team. I thought he could possibly pull a 2nd from the right team but a 3rd is not surprising at all.

I did think of an example, with Brian Boyle being traded for a 2nd a few years back. It's definitely not common to get a 3rd round pick or better for a 4th line winger rental though.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

Thank you very much Ziggy for posting this

 

[KingsHockey24]

These guys look so happy.

Must be exciting challenging for a playoff spot.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

and then the blues and rangers did.

Wonder what team picks up the kings from leafs next

Lewis

 

[KingCanadain1976]

I have been thinking about the rumors that Martinez was going to be included in the deal a(but they couldn't make the $$ work)
Makes me wonder what else would have come back to us

have too think ceci would have been added for cap

 

[KINGS17]

These guys look so happy.

Must be exciting challenging for a playoff spot.

On March 5, we will find out which player(s) on the Kings Clifford doesn't like.

 

[KingsHockey24]

 

[tny760]

what a difference, get sent to toronto and you've immediately got short videos being made about you plastered on the official twitter

we get a little blurb about moore being from CA

 

[Herby]

what a difference, get sent to toronto and you've immediately got short videos being made about you plastered on the official twitter

we get a little blurb about moore being from CA

They are to Toronto what the Lakers are to LA. I was there in September during camp and was amazed how much press they got, it was again like LA with the Lakers.

What a total shock it must be for them.

 

[kovacro]

Lots of Jack Campbell talk on the sports radio stations today.

 

[deeshamrock]

Lots of Jack Campbell talk on the sports radio stations today.

Looks like they might have quite a bit to talk about over the weekend, vs Ducks tonight and Habs tomorrow.

And Clifford playing w/Spezza .

 

[SettlementRichie10]

They are to Toronto what the Lakers are to LA. I was there in September during camp and was amazed how much press they got, it was again like LA with the Lakers.

What a total shock it must be for them.

Hype wise, sure. But the Leafs haven't had anywhere close to the level of success the Lakers have had post-1967. Lakers have, what, 10 championships since 1970?

 

[crassbonanza]

Looks like they might have quite a bit to talk about over the weekend, vs Ducks tonight and Habs tomorrow.

And Clifford playing w/Spezza .

I will definitely be watching. I'm a bit worried for Campbell, the Leafs have a really bad defensive core that is prone to huge defensive lapses. The Kreider 6 second goal from last game is a perfect example. They have Muzzin and Barrie and 4 other guys with little to no experience. Dermott has 141 games, Lil(if he is up?) has 1 game, Sandin has 14 games and Holl has 65 games.

 

[HeadInjury]

Hype wise, sure. But the Leafs haven't had anywhere close to the level of success the Lakers have had post-1967. Lakers have, what, 10 championships since 1970?

11

72, 80, 82, 85, 87, 88, 00, 01, 02, 09, 10.

Not to mention other finals appearances in 73, 83, 84, 89, 91, 04 and 08.

Between 1980 and 2010, they made the finals 16 times!

 

[Bandit]

11

72, 80, 82, 85, 87, 88, 00, 01, 02, 09, 10.

Not to mention other finals appearances in 73, 83, 84, 89, 91, 04 and 08.

Between 1980 and 2010, they made the finals 16 times!

But Kerry Fraser!!!!!!

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Well Jack and Clifford got their 1st games last night and I have to say if that is the level of effort Kyle Clifford is going to give every night, then fans are going to LOVE Kyle Clifford.

Campbell was pretty good too for the most part, although maybe don't handle the puck, maybe don't do that, that led to bad things happening.

 

[KingsHockey24]

Kovalchuk vs Campbell and Clifford tonight.

More excited to watch that than the LA/NJ game tbh.

 

[Herby]

Kovalchuk vs Campbell and Clifford tonight.

More excited to watch that than the LA/NJ game tbh.

Why?

Don't turn into one of those awful Flyers "fans" who suddenly started caring about the Kings because a player got traded here. You're to good a fan and poster here.

Team > Player