Series Discussion: Calgary Flames vs. Colorado Avalanche

[Bounces R Way]

This is the series we see what Sean Monahan is really made of.

Marshmallows and gummy bears so far.

Need some guys to step up and make plays. Not getting to the center of the ice well at all. Also seeing the same thing as you guys with giving up the blueline way too easily. Doesn't make sense when all year our system was to force turnovers in the neutral zone by being aggressive at the three lines. Letting the Avalanche dictate the play is not how we found success in this season.

 

[Pizza the Hutt]

I'm disappointed in some of our players, no doubt.

But I'm also disappointed in this board. Doom and gloom. Negativity. Joyless. Boring.

We used to think Pizza Is Magic™ when we had nothing and we regicide'd our way to a playoff birth.

Now we sit atop the west and whimper and pout and rationalize that a single Bluenoser is pwning our entire team.

What happened to the memes? What happened to the fun? WHAT HAPPENED TO SCORCH????

Come on my dudes! Pick your beaten and bloodied avatars off the ice and start posting like you give a damn.

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

When comparing Monahan and MacKinnon, talent is the biggest thing. Monahan is no where nearly talented as MacKinnon, they are worlds apart.

No matter what happens in these playoffs, we need a upgrade at the #1 center position.

The upgrade already is on our roster, we just need the realization that "hey, Monahan should play the wing".

 

[djpatm]

I'm disappointed in some of our players, no doubt.

But I'm also disappointed in this board. Doom and gloom. Negativity. Joyless. Boring.

We used to think Pizza Is Magic™ when we had nothing and we regicide'd our way to a playoff birth.

Now we sit atop the west and whimper and pout and rationalize that a single Bluenoser is pwning our entire team.

What happened to the memes? What happened to the fun? WHAT HAPPENED TO SCORCH????

Come on my dudes! Pick your beaten and bloodied avatars off the ice and start posting like you give a damn.

I think everyone is posting like they give a damn, hence the anger and disappointment. Hard to have fun when all of our worst fears come true. (except for Smith who has been a great surprise)

But on the bright side, at least we're not Tampa.

 

[FLAMESFAN]

Honestly I think the start of each new game is like an empty canvass. I was OK with what was being painted in the first few minutes, we seemed to have good energy. But not being able to capitalize on that first PP, then the bad call giving the Avs a full 2 min 5 on 3, and the script was set. The complexion of the rest of the game seemed to change, and only got worse after 2-0, 3-0...
I also didn't like that timeout where Peters looked dumbfounded on what was happening. Maybe the most useless timeout I've seen. If this team doesn't have the mental fortitude to bounceback after a bad call/goal, then they don't deserve to win a game let alone a series.

We better get a Mona Lisa for game 4...

 

[Sparky93]

I think everyone is posting like they give a damn, hence the anger and disappointment. Hard to have fun when all of our worst fears come true. (except for Smith who has been a great surprise)

But on the bright side, at least we're not Tampa.

I haven’t given up all hope yet. We’ve all seen this team put out Jekyll and Hyde performances before. I had my doubts about how this team would stand up in the playoffs but still really hoping I’m wrong.

 

[Master Bill]

I know every player on the team has to be better but I still can't forget how zero f***s Johnny gives almost every time he's defending, especially how he basically let Jost walk past him for a breakaway. I don't know if any one of his teammates would be motivated to work hard if their star player couldn't care less about defending.

It's gotta start with our star players and they have to lead by example on both sides of the puck.

 

[DFF]

I know every player on the team has to be better but I still can't forget how zero ****s Johnny gives almost every time he's defending, especially how he basically let Jost walk past him for a breakaway. I don't know if any one of his teammates would be motivated to work hard if their star player couldn't care less about defending.

It's gotta start with our star players and they have to lead by example on both sides of the puck.

Johnny clearly put his own personal priority above the teams. His 100 pt chase was the most pathetic thing I have seen in my life.

Hopefully he learned..

The nhl is too tough to do that kind of shit and get away...

 

[Mobiandi]

I know every player on the team has to be better but I still can't forget how zero ****s Johnny gives almost every time he's defending, especially how he basically let Jost walk past him for a breakaway. I don't know if any one of his teammates would be motivated to work hard if their star player couldn't care less about defending.

It's gotta start with our star players and they have to lead by example on both sides of the puck.

It's really strange because he was doing a lot of things well defensively in game 1.

But as soon as we got into a hole in game 3, he just gave up and mailed it in

 

[Sparky93]

Johnny clearly put his own personal priority above the teams. His 100 pt chase was the most pathetic thing I have seen in my life.

Hopefully he learned..

The nhl is too tough to do that kind of **** and get away...

That’s ridiculous. It sure hasn’t hurt Mackinnon playing all 82. He’s just an extremely small player, that doesn’t do exceedingly well in hard checking, aggressive games, who doesn’t have players with him that are skilled enough to help shoulder the weight of carrying play.

 

[djpatm]

That’s ridiculous. It sure hasn’t hurt Mackinnon playing all 82. He’s just an extremely small player, that doesn’t do exceedingly well in hard checking, aggressive games, who doesn’t have players with him that are skilled enough to help shoulder the weight of carrying play.

The thing is he plays way too soft even for his size. He's not much smaller than Mangiapane who is excelling in the playoffs, like give me a break.

If he's 5'9 and 160 like he claims in interviews than he's slightly smaller than average size yet he acts like he's made of papier mache. An in shape average sized man isn't going to die if he gets hit along the boards by a 220 6'3 player.

He needs to man the f*** up and realize he isn't made of glass.

 

[Sparky93]

The thing is he plays way too soft even for his size. He's not much smaller than Mangiapane who is excelling in the playoffs, like give me a break.

If he's 5'9 and 160 like he claims in interviews than he's slightly smaller than average size yet he acts like he's made of papier mache. An in shape average sized man isn't going to die if he gets hit along the boards by a 220 6'3 player.

He needs to man the **** up and realize he isn't made of glass.

Mangiapane’s like 185. 25 pounds is a huge difference, at that size. It’s more or less a Bantom sized player, playing in the NHL. But I agree. If we’re going to win he has to be at least more engaged, especially down low.

 

[djpatm]

Mangiapane’s like 185. 25 pounds is a huge difference, at that size. It’s more or less a Bantom sized player, playing in the NHL. But I agree. If we’re going to win he has to be at least more engaged, especially down low.

Sure, it's a big difference in terms of battling for the puck and what not, but taking a hit? Does Gaudreau feel more pain than Mangiapane being leveled against the boards?

I've bounced between 150 and 170 my whole life and I've never noticed a difference in pain from being hit so maybe that's why I'm skeptical.

Either way, if his lack of weight is an issue than he needs to start eating more. He is ineffective.

 

[Pekkas Purse]

The thing is he plays way too soft even for his size. He's not much smaller than Mangiapane who is excelling in the playoffs, like give me a break.

If he's 5'9 and 160 like he claims in interviews than he's slightly smaller than average size yet he acts like he's made of papier mache. An in shape average sized man isn't going to die if he gets hit along the boards by a 220 6'3 player.

He needs to man the **** up and realize he isn't made of glass.

It just isn't in him. Maybe he can go play saxophone with Greta Van Fleet!. Mange is a man. Johnny and Mony are what they are and have always been, they need to move Mony/Brody for an elite D and send Johnny to camp in the spring. Maybe he can live in one of Smitties hats! Both are Eurosoft and not even Euro.

How is that, is that more fun???

 

[crackdown44]

I'm disappointed in some of our players, no doubt.

But I'm also disappointed in this board. Doom and gloom. Negativity. Joyless. Boring.

We used to think Pizza Is Magic™ when we had nothing and we regicide'd our way to a playoff birth.

Now we sit atop the west and whimper and pout and rationalize that a single Bluenoser is pwning our entire team.

What happened to the memes? What happened to the fun? WHAT HAPPENED TO SCORCH????

Come on my dudes! Pick your beaten and bloodied avatars off the ice and start posting like you give a damn.

I think everyone is posting like they give a damn, hence the anger and disappointment. Hard to have fun when all of our worst fears come true. (except for Smith who has been a great surprise)

But on the bright side, at least we're not Tampa.

There are 2-3 Gaudreau trade threads on the trade board lol

As inexperienced as the Flames have looked on the ice so far this board has been twice as bad

Come on guys

 

[Anglesmith]

Johnny will be fine when the team isn't constantly putting themselves in weak, outnumbered positions.

Recency bias is a thing. Right now the Avs are playing a great brand of hockey, and the Flames are not, and that makes the players on the Flames look awful and the players on the Avs look amazing. By what's being said on this board, you would think that MacKinnon never had his struggles this season, and Johnny et. al did, which isn't true. MacKinnon had 10 points in 14 games in January while the Avs were playing awful hockey, and that was with a 3-point night mixed in.

Instead of focusing on "are our guys better than their guys in a vacuum," the focus needs to be on playing a brand of hockey as a team that will make their guys look bad and our guys good instead of the other way around. This is a whole-team issue. It's not about individuals.

 

[DFF]

Johnny will be fine when the team isn't constantly putting themselves in weak, outnumbered positions.

Recency bias is a thing. Right now the Avs are playing a great brand of hockey, and the Flames are not, and that makes the players on the Flames look awful and the players on the Avs look amazing. By what's being said on this board, you would think that MacKinnon never had his struggles this season, and Johnny et. al did, which isn't true. MacKinnon had 10 points in 14 games in January while the Avs were playing awful hockey, and that was with a 3-point night mixed in.

Instead of focusing on "are our guys better than their guys in a vacuum," the focus needs to be on playing a brand of hockey as a team that will make their guys look bad and our guys good instead of the other way around. This is a whole-team issue. It's not about individuals.

Agreed. Peters did a Gulutzan job this playoff...He failed to prepare them properly. Combined that with lack of character on some of the players, and we are lucky we are not swept yet.

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

Here is my take.

We are a defender first team in that we usually are very patient. Rarely do we attack with our third player unless it is a 3-2. We always try to establish solid puck possession and then we attack.

I think we’ve see the 3rd man drift in this playoffs. Everyone is trying to make offence happen out of nowhere and it isn’t working.

We need to be more methodical with the puck like we were in most of season. It’s been hard to watch.

 

[amoboko]

I hope the flames can step up their game .
The Avs really dominated yesterday.

 

[lightstorm]

Whats concerning is that outside of Zadorov/Cole and a pos Landeskog Colorado is a fairly soft team as well, its not like they are going all Jamie Benn on him.

Whoever wins this series will get murdered next round.

 

[lightstorm]

I think that Gulutzan was somewhat right about one thing in his time here - this team only gets up to play when it's easy.

Most of our depth guys play with heart but our top line/pairing guys wilt when the going gets tough

Honestly Im putting the blame square on management for not being able to recognize that guys like Brodie and Mony are supporting cast, not the lead actors.

Whats the point of being angry at Mony he's not Lecavalier and Johnny is no Marty StLouis when the managements idea of play off reinforcements are Neal and Fantanen

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Sure, it's a big difference in terms of battling for the puck and what not, but taking a hit? Does Gaudreau feel more pain than Mangiapane being leveled against the boards?

I've bounced between 150 and 170 my whole life and I've never noticed a difference in pain from being hit so maybe that's why I'm skeptical.

Either way, if his lack of weight is an issue than he needs to start eating more. He is ineffective.

If nothing else Johnny's diet seems to be awful. Grilled cheeses and ham? Ouch. I just put in those on cronometer and Johnny hits almost no significant micronutrients, and has awful macronutrient balance.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Whats concerning is that outside of Zadorov/Cole and a pos Landeskog Colorado is a fairly soft team as well, its not like they are going all Jamie Benn on him.

Whoever wins this series will get murdered next round.

Well San Jose doesn't seem like they're going to advance, and while Vegas is an amazing possession and speed team, they aren't that physical either, and they aren't as dirty as the Avs either.

 

[CamPopplestone]

Game 4 is do or die. I dont think this team has the mental strength to come back from a 3-1 deficit

 

[crackdown44]

Agreed. Peters did a Gulutzan job this playoff...He failed to prepare them properly. Combined that with lack of character on some of the players, and we are lucky we are not swept yet.

After three games we are lucky we are not swept yet?

Ok