Cale Makar enters top 30 all-time playoff points among dmen

[Buck Naked]

McDavid is in the upper echelon of generational players. There are levels to this. I would argue Coffey was also a generational player, but he sure was hell no Bobby Orr, another generational player.

I do understand your point though. If Makar crashes and burns and just becomes an average defenseman from next season and onwards, the generational label will have been premature. However, if his career follows a normal trajectory, he has a shot of finishing very high in all-time defensemen rankings.

I wouldn't call him a generational player just yet but his talent is most definitely generational. Now whether the rest of his career plays out like a defenseman you only see once in a generation (every 20 years for me) remains to be seen.

I agree with basically everything.

 

[Buck Naked]

Explain to me how a ~45% xGA (not great of course) or whatever guy playing top pairing minutes is "replacement level".

I'll hang up and listen.

Semantics. You know as well as I do that his numbers came out awful without MacKinnon on the ice. Of course that was hyperbole from my part of calling him replacement level, but it sure as hell wasn't what a generational player would do either.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

Semantics. You know as well as I do that his numbers came out awful without MacKinnon on the ice. Of course that was hyperbole from my part of calling him replacement level, but it sure as hell wasn't what a generational player would do either.

Yeah you're being a bit of a weasel with your word choice and you goddamn know it

 

[Buck Naked]

Yeah you're being a bit of a weasel with your word choice and you goddamn know it

 

[HFpapi]

If Daniel Sprong is #1 in every category, that would be the tip off.

First video that played was league-wide jersey retirement ceremony for #17.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

LOL god damnit I love you

 

[TruePowerSlave]

Cheat code player

4th Norris nomination in 5 NHL seasons, PPG+ pretty much anywhere he plays....

 

[olli]

As a jets fan this guy was the best d man I’ve ever watched this series (and during the 2022 run but that’s not fresh in my head). Not sure why avs fans said he had a down year this year.

 

[GeoRox89]

As a jets fan this guy was the best d man I’ve ever watched this series (and during the 2022 run but that’s not fresh in my head). Not sure why avs fans said he had a down year this year.

The Cale Makar of this series was vintage 2022 Makar. Outside a couple stretches this season, Makar this year did not look like that in the regular season. He still put up crazy points because he’s that good and Mack had an incredible season but he really turned it up several notches between the RS and game 1

 

[a mangy Meowth]

As a jets fan this guy was the best d man I’ve ever watched this series (and during the 2022 run but that’s not fresh in my head). Not sure why avs fans said he had a down year this year.

Referring specifically to his regular season. And I think 'down year' is maybe a stretch. I think most of us thought he was playing at around 85% of his ability. He definitely stepped it up for the playoffs

 

[TruePowerSlave]

As a jets fan this guy was the best d man I’ve ever watched this series (and during the 2022 run but that’s not fresh in my head). Not sure why avs fans said he had a down year this year.

The expectations are just astronomical. Makar dropped 90 points and that was considered by some a disappointment.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

And yet one sits there with his one Norris while the other got 5 Art Ross, 4 Lindsay, 3 Hart, and a Rocket. And he should've probably had more without voter fatigue. Kind of what generational players do though. Makar maybe could've had more without the injuries, but he doesn't.

Again, Makar is great! Best Dman in the league and probably top 3 among players I would want to start a franchise with. He's gonna have to start crushing his opponents if he wanna be a generational Dman though. Can't put up seasons like this one where he's replacement level without his superstar center on the ice and gotta start being healthy.

To be fair, Makar is also sitting there with his Conn Smythe and a Cup, both of which I'd take over every regular season award.

 

[Avsfan1921]

As a jets fan this guy was the best d man I’ve ever watched this series (and during the 2022 run but that’s not fresh in my head). Not sure why avs fans said he had a down year this year.

He did in the context of controlling the play in the regular season. It’s been greatly over exaggerated however with fans claiming “injuries”. He was still a top 5 dman regardless but with hive-mind mentality people started the “replacement level” narrative (not the recent poster, many have been spouting for two months). The biggest difference so far between playoffs and regular season is his decision making in his own zone. He’s been great at making the safe play if he’s not 100% certain he can complete the risky play.

 

[TheTechNoir]

Calm down.

This is an amazingly cool stat though. Impressive for sure!

Lol, what? Why? Yeah, the term generational is thrown around too much. That doesn't mean we shouldn't use it when describing someone who is generational. It shouldn't be eliminated from the lexicon.

 

[Hamilton Bulldogs]

That was fast. Dudes incredibly talented so it’s not much of a surprise.

 

[Avs2022]

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Cheat code player

4th Norris nomination in 5 NHL seasons, PPG+ pretty much anywhere he plays....

Man, that 2021-2022 season was...well, EPIC for Cale.

 

[Ghost of Murph]

I didn't realize he was already ranked that high. Seems like he hasn't been in the league long enough to be top 30. Incredible talent.

 

[wetcoast]

his is missing Red Kelly for some reason. Yours is right

Red Kelley has quite a few seasons in the playoffs as a forward though.

55 of his 92 points came with the Leafs as a center.

As a pure Dman his line with Detroit was 94-16-21-37 in a much lower scoring era.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

The expectations are just astronomical. Makar dropped 90 points and that was considered by some a disappointment.

Kind of like mcdavid's "disappointing" year and he still hits 130 points.

 

[Eltuna]

As a jets fan this guy was the best d man I’ve ever watched this series (and during the 2022 run but that’s not fresh in my head). Not sure why avs fans said he had a down year this year.

He had an unreal start to the year but definitely stumbled after his injury. It was a long time ago so most forget but at the end of October he was my pick for the Hart at that point of the season, was close to leading the league in points and was playing excellent defence.

He’s the only defender that has a realistic chance at the Hart in my opinion, and I think he does it once in his career

 

[winnipegger]

Yep, I just had the "pleasure" of watching him for 5 games intensely. He is the best. No other D man in the league has the whole package.

 

[yeaher]

He heard you all talking shit about his regular season but turns out he had a different gear in the playoffs.

These weak boys try hard to ignore his Conn Smythe

 

[Royale With Cheese]

Jets fan - watching him these playoffs I was very impressed. His game style is similar to Josh Morrissey's but he's a whole level above Josh.

 

[SullivanT]

Need 12pts in next 8 games to tie Bobby Orr in points in the same amount of games. Pretty crazy

 

[GG96]

I think more impressive is how far Leetch is with how few games he played especially because he played some of his prime in the beginning of the dead puck era