C Jack Hughes - USNTDP (2019 Draft)

[Mathew Barzal]

You guys got the Sedins. You've filled your HOF brother combo quota for this century.

Guess we'll have to settle for the Wahlgrens...

 

[Kshahdoo]

I mean, he's 5'10, 159 lbs right now according to his official listing from the IIHF U18s in April. Given that he wasn't quite yet 17 at the time, it's pretty conceivable that he could be 5'11, 175 by the time he's drafted, and around 5'11, 190 by the time he's 21-22.

Obviously, it's not the ideal 6-2, 210 lb frame that Matthews and Eichel have, no argument there, but I don't think it will be a hindrance.

Larionov was half of this, came to the league past his prime and played in a much tougher era. As far as I remember, he still did pretty ok.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

He has such amazing edge work, agility, and puck-handling ability. Very Kane-esque.

 

[BROCK HUGHES]

He wants to play with his bro,,,,come to van city.
Watching Quinn skate is insane ,,and Jack is a little better,,unreal...

 

[jj cale]

He's so skilled his size will be no detriment. If it doesn't hinder a guy like gaudreau you can be sure he will have no problem. Only question is just how good is he going to be.

 

[S E P H]

He's not as fast but they have very similar skillsets. McDavids shot might have been a bit better. I feel like this kid is going to rack up a tonne of assists in the NHL though. The way he see's the ice, uses his edgework and stickhandling to open up space and then finds guys with pinpoint accuracy. It's amazing.

I think both have muffin of shots, McDavid's is better, but even his is quite awful for the NHL. Both of them tend to score goals using this agility and speed to open up goalers. McDavid straight line speed won't be matched, perhaps ever, however Hughes due to his smaller frame makes his agility and edge work better than Connor's. So Jack is definitely shiftier and that is quite a feat considering how good McDavid is.

 

[Icebreakers]

So where is he playing next year?

 

[Daximus]

So where is he playing next year?

Probably stick with the U18 team. Though it would be cool if he went oversea's somehow like Matthews.

 

[Breakers]

So where is he playing next year?

Right now "NCAA Acceleration" is on the table a la Werenski and it is being considered.

Mike Spath who is Michigan;s insider said Quinn Hughes turning pro could help him make that decision which is going to happen within the next 7 days most likely. Apparently the appeal of playing with his brother is pretty strong.

 

[Daximus]

Right now "NCAA Acceleration" is on the table a la Werenski and it is being considered.

Mike Spath who is Michigan;s insider said Quinn Hughes turning pro could help him make that decision which is going to happen within the next 7 days most likely

Awesome news. So the plan is to go to U of Mich then I'd imagine to play with Quinn?

 

[Breakers]

Awesome news. So the plan is to go to U of Mich then I'd imagine to play with Quinn?

Yeah that is apparently the main hold up. The burden of proof or school work required in NCAA acceleration is less than normal but it is still reasonably tough. I bet he could get it done.

I am pretty sure the decision should happen quick for Quinn.
If he turns pro he would move to vancouver and use their training facilities
If he doesnt he is back on campus using Michigan's which is probably better than the Canucks gym.
I dont see them dragging the decision on through out the summer, but who knows.

 

[Breakers]

Awesome news. So the plan is to go to U of Mich then I'd imagine to play with Quinn?

Also he did mention BC is still an option as well with Wahlstrom, McBain & Samuelsson as other incoming freshman into that system. which is the best incoming freshman class in the league.

 

[Brock Radunske]

So what tier of 1st overall centres are we thinking for this kid?
McDavid?
Matthews?
Tavares/Stamkos?
Hischer?

 

[McFlyingV]

So what tier of 1st overall centres are we thinking for this kid?
McDavid?
Matthews?
Tavares/Stamkos?
Hischer?

Matthews/Tavares/Stamkos range. Probably on the high end of that range, but a clear step below McDavid.

Hughes U18's were incredible, but they don't stack up to McDavid's especially when you consider that was during McDavid's exceptional status season.

I'm excited to see what he does at the U20's.

 

[danyhabsfan]

So what tier of 1st overall centres are we thinking for this kid?
McDavid?
Matthews?
Tavares/Stamkos?
Hischer?

1 year before the draft

Matthews (1.95 ppg)

2014-15

U.S. National Under-18 Team

USDP

60

55

62

117

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Hughes (1.84 ppg)

2017-18

U.S. National Under-18 Team

USDP

37

27

41

68

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Hughes is born in May vs Matthews who was born in September. (2 days too late for the 2015 draft)

So he's producing a bit less but he's 8 months younger which is huge.

 

[ijuka]

...

It's u18 national team DP, Jack Hughes was u17, Matthews was u18. Hughes didn't even get promoted to 18s until later. Comparing those separate years makes 0 sense.

These are the ones you should compare:

Hughes 27+41=68 in 37 gp

Matthews 12+5=17 in 20 gp

 

[danyhabsfan]

...

It's u18 national team DP, Jack Hughes was u17, Matthews was u18. Hughes didn't even get promoted to 18s until later. Comparing those separate years makes 0 sense.

These are the ones you should compare:

Hughes 27+41=68 in 37 gp

Matthews 12+5=17 in 20 gp

That was 2 years before the draft thought but you can use those stats but Hughes is now the older player between them. (May vs September)


I used the draft -1 season where I pointed out that Hughes is 8 months younger.

 

[byeyimini]

[QUOTE="I used the draft -1 season where I pointed out that Hughes is 8 months younger.[/QUOTE]

Help me out with the 8 month difference thing.

 

[ijuka]

That was 2 years before the draft thought but you can use those stats but Hughes is now the older player between them. (May vs September)

Again, Hughes was in his u17 year, just like Matthews at that time. USDP doesn't work with "draft-1 draft-2", it works with birth year. Matthews was no longer even eligible to play in USDP in his draft-1 because he was u19.

Additionally, I don't understand your logic where a 8 month age difference is supposedly more accurate than a 4 month age difference. Some sense please.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

So what tier of 1st overall centres are we thinking for this kid?
McDavid?
Matthews?
Tavares/Stamkos?
Hischer?

Svechnikov, Hall tier.

 

[Breakers]

Svechnikov, Hall tier.

which neither are centers.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

which neither are centers.

I agree.

 

[Daximus]

which neither are centers.

Don't you know anything. Centers have to be at least 6'3 to play the position. It's in the CBA.
/sarcasm

 

[TeddyBare]

Crosby height at the 2005 Combine
"5'10.3"
True Story.

 

[Daximus]

Crosby height at the 2005 Combine
"5'10.3"
True Story.

Yeah Crosby, Giroux, Briere, Koivu, Drury, Savard, Oates, Yzerman, Dionne, Mikita, Clarke..
There's been plenty of good small centers in the history of the league.

In the immortal words of Nigel Powers.
"It's not about the size mate, it's how you use it."