Rumor: Byfuglien to Detroit or Philadelphia

[fmrdh]

The grass isn't always greener on the other side of the fence. Jets shouldn't trade him for anyone.

 

[jetsfan8]

please mods, remove this thread

okay, fine, if we get giroux for him.....

 

[CorgisPer60]

And of course I post that in the wrong thread. On topic, Buff shouldn't go anywhere.

 

[Kinjero]

Just saw this. Buff mentioned at 1:31

edit: oh yeah, Don't trade Buff!

 

[Duke749]

I think at this time of the year(trade deadline) media outlets start spearding rumors, hopefully they don't trade buff.

Yeah, Philly and Detroit aren't looking for help on D... It's completely feesable that they have both shown heavy interest in Buff. They've probably shown interest in a lot of defensemen. Doesn't mean he's getting moved though.

 

[Che vy Teemuchuk]

Thought the vid was kinda lame / a bit funny until the very end. Then I think Lu nailed his line. hahahaha I laughed a lot.

 

[sully1410]

That was really funny.

 

[Gnova]

What is with these ridiculous trade rumors.

Last year it was Kane but since the media have finally realized he isn't going anywhere they switch to Buff.

 

[jetsfan8]

What is with these ridiculous trade rumors.

Last year it was Kane but since the media have finally realized he isn't going anywhere they switch to Buff.

as i said in the burmistrov thread, winnipeg media is absolutely Pejorative Slured, and will create ANYTHING for a story, and take things way out of proportion

 

[ahplk]

What is with these ridiculous trade rumors.

Last year it was Kane but since the media have finally realized he isn't going anywhere they switch to Buff.

Philly and Detroit are interested in trading for Buff and so are probably 27 other teams.

There's no rumor...teams have been calling, but it doesn't mean we're answering. This is what happens when you have star players.

 

[DEANYOUNGBLOOD17]

Buff trade .....hmmmmmm........Im not against it......... timing.........not now........ the Jets r rolling........ heading to the playoffs .........you do not rid yourself of your lead horse...........

I like Buff ........ player profile on BIG SCREEN durring 3 rd period durring the game ... Question...... Who is the best Minnesota born player to play in the NHL.........Buffs answer .............. Me .......... I laughed my ass off.........good for him....

If Demand for Buff increases and potential return increases.......... ideal time to trade Buff is B4 2014 draft in June......... ( just saying as as strategist.....sell High)

 

[almostawake]

Worded that weird:

2 Schenns

Or

Voracek and Couturier

Or

Simmonds and Couturier

I think that from the Flyers point of view those offers run a very wide range of values. The packages involving Couturier are both far above the Schenn package to them. Given that Voracek is 6th in the league in scoring right now I also think the difference between he and Simmonds is considerable for the Flyers at the moment.

To be honest I think almost any combination of those 5 players would be difficult for the Jets to turn down. They'd be getting two pieces younger than the one they're trading and any of those pieces would instantly be part of the core.

 

[knorthern knight]

Worded that weird:

2 Schenns

Or

Voracek and Couturier

Or

Simmonds and Couturier

Let's look at the 6 worst +/- numbers for the Flyers...
http://flyers.nhl.com/club/stats.htm?gameType=2&season=20122013&srt=pm

• Voracek -6
• Giroux -8
• Coutourier -10
• Briere -11
• Coburn -11
• Gervais -12

Let's look at the 6 BEST +/- numbers for Winnipeg
http://jets.nhl.com/club/stats.htm?gameType=2&season=20122013&srt=pm

• Antropov +9
• Ladd +8
• Little +8
• Byfuglien +6
• Burmistrov +6
• Clitsome +4

Fuggedaboutit. And while we're at it, where are those complainers wondering why we chose Scheifele 7th overall, instead of Coutourier, whom the Flyers picked up #8 right after we chose Scheifele?

 

[King Woodballs]

trading buff basically ends our shot at the playoffs.

 

[SensibleGuy]

LOL, Buff isn't going anywhere. Frankly, I think I might trade Kaner before Buff. But the reality is neither of them are going to be traded so its a moot point...

 

[KingBogo]

Worded that weird:

2 Schenns

Or

Voracek and Couturier

Or

Simmonds and Couturier

As much as I like the way Buff is playing I think Chevy would do that trade. Though I doubt Philly does. You have to realize a move like that could potentially move the Jets up into the range of the elite teams within a couple years if our prospects continue to developed as hoped.

If Scheifele developes into a *1 C, Lowry to a 3rd line giant, Trouba a top 4 beast you might have a lineup that looks something like:

Kane - Scheifele - Voracek (considering age and potential legit #1 line)
Ladd - Little - Wheeler (why mess with chemistry - one of the best 2nd lines)
Lowry - Couturier - X (absolute beast of a 3rd line)
X - Burmi - X (Burmi becomes an elite defensive specialist - top 4th line in league)

Toby - Bogo
X - Trouba
X - Redmond/Postma

We already have a lot of other pieces to start filling out the X's.

 

[DarthMonty]

nevergonnahappen.com

Byfuglien is one of the untouchables, period. Kane, Ladd, Wheeler, Bogosian and Byfuglien represent the core of this team moving forward, and considering how young all of them are, it's possible to envision a contender for the next decade, just with those five players.

 

[PhilJets]

Buff stays, he is a game changer

 

[winterpeg]

I agree here, the value for Buff is huge.

In fact, I'd argue that it can't just be a package where the "total trade value" is equal.

Buff is the biggest "game breaker" on our team, and one of the bigger ones in the league, frankly. To lose something like that you need a GIGANTIC overpayment in package form or an individual player in one of our positions of weakness who is as explosive as Buff is.

So... Giroux?

You think I'm kidding. But I'm not.

We don't need a young 3rd C in Coutourier, we have one in Burmi, and frankly, I'll be disappointed if his upside doesn't turn out to be better than 3C.

 

[jetsfan8]

Let's look at the 6 worst +/- numbers for the Flyers...
http://flyers.nhl.com/club/stats.htm?gameType=2&season=20122013&srt=pm

• Voracek -6
• Giroux -8
• Coutourier -10
• Briere -11
• Coburn -11
• Gervais -12

Let's look at the 6 BEST +/- numbers for Winnipeg
http://jets.nhl.com/club/stats.htm?gameType=2&season=20122013&srt=pm

• Antropov +9
• Ladd +8
• Little +8
• Byfuglien +6
• Burmistrov +6
• Clitsome +4

Fuggedaboutit. And while we're at it, where are those complainers wondering why we chose Scheifele 7th overall, instead of Coutourier, whom the Flyers picked up #8 right after we chose Scheifele?

first of all im not a scheifele complainer

however, plus/minus, is one of the stupidest stats in the game

if you wanna judge a player by plus/minus, i guess that means antropov is a better hockey player than claude giroux???

until scheifele can make the chel, i still think we missed out on couturier

but, i do have very high hopes for scheifeles future, he could turn out to be a star, and just needs some time to develop

 

[jetsfan8]

I agree here, the value for Buff is huge.

In fact, I'd argue that it can't just be a package where the "total trade value" is equal.

Buff is the biggest "game breaker" on our team, and one of the bigger ones in the league, frankly. To lose something like that you need a GIGANTIC overpayment in package form or an individual player in one of our positions of weakness who is as explosive as Buff is.

So... Giroux?

You think I'm kidding. But I'm not.

We don't need a young 3rd C in Coutourier, we have one in Burmi, and frankly, I'll be disappointed if his upside doesn't turn out to be better than 3C.

i agree, the only way i would ever move buff, is straight up for giroux
nothing else would be fair

 

[Instincts]

Call me an idiot but I wouldn't trade Buff for both Schenns or Voracek or Coutourier

I wanna see #1c heading back or most likely to become #1c heading back if we trade him

 

[winterpeg]

i agree, the only way i would ever move buff, is straight up for giroux
nothing else would be fair

Yup. Guys who love their star forwards would laugh at me, as would the main trade board, but in reality, G is the ONLY guy on that team that is dangerous every time he's on the ice, and that's what Buff is.

THAT is Byfuglien's REAL value. Someone that scares the piss out of every coach he plays against cause you just don't know how to deal with him.

He really is an enigma. Can't solve, or predict him.

 

[jamiebez]

Yup. Guys who love their star forwards would laugh at me, as would the main trade board, but in reality, G is the ONLY guy on that team that is dangerous every time he's on the ice, and that's what Buff is.

THAT is Byfuglien's REAL value. Someone that scares the piss out of every coach he plays against cause you just don't know how to deal with him.

He really is an enigma. Can't solve, or predict him.

This is it.

When other teams come to Winnipeg, they have "33" circled on the whiteboard in their dressing room. He is the guy that other teams have to game plan against.

Players like that come along once every 10 years if you're lucky.

 

[almostawake]

Not referring directly to Byfuglien, but I am a little puzzled with this board's apparent fascination with 'game breakers'.

Based on what Cheveldayoff and Noel have said publicly I think the vision is to build a team that competes hard every night and wins by playing the 'right way', accumulating small advantages over the course of 60 minutes.

For now the Jets have to rely on the game breaking skill of Wheeler, speed and shot of Kane, and creativity of Byfuglien, but I can't imagine that is the long-term vision.

Is it possible for an NHL team to experience long-term success in this day and age if built around a player referred to as an enigma?

To be clear, I am not saying that the Jets game breakers cannot or will not be part of long term success here in Winnipeg, but I don't think good teams rely on individual players to 'break games'. Some good teams clearly have players that can do it, but they don't rely on them, they just take it as a bonus when they do.