Really a 1st line power forward who's game would be extremely valuable in the playoffs on a cheap deal isn't worth 11th overall? Its not even that strong of a draft. I would trade the 11th for another Tuch in an instant.
Tuch wasn't a 1st line power forward back then. It would be like arguing that the ROR trade was good value based on how Thompson turned out.
Nowhere near insane enough.
Removing Cernak would likely remove Byram, or at least put us in a spot you referenced you'd be in (us figuring out using the 11th pick+ to replace Byram), which then probably collapses the whole deal.
Too many "bluest of blue chips" in there
Then the trade talks pretty much end, or should, from Tampa's end. They aren't moving Cirelli without getting a piece they need in return, which would be a top 4 dman such as Byram. I doubt Cirelli is available anyway, but that's what it should take to get Tampa listening on any offer.
All the sane Sabres fans will stick with Byram.....
I have to think that most GMs(not named Kevyn Adams), if they were to step into the Sabres job today, would look at the roster makeup, see that the team has almost 35M committed to their blueline, and view Dahlin, Power, and Byram as a logjam area that may need addressing.
Best, easiest trade of all time for one team.
Yeah I think most Sabres fans are a hard no on this I’m not sure why he was hitting the bottle so early.
Fine.
You guys make me laugh. For the first time in circa 15 years we have a legitimate top 4 with realistic potential to be elite, but you want to call that a log jam?I have to think that most GMs(not named Kevyn Adams), if they were to step into the Sabres job today, would look at the roster makeup, see that the team has almost 35M committed to their blueline, and view Dahlin, Power, and Byram as a logjam area that may need addressing.
Value aside and strictly from a roster balancing point of view, Cirelli for Byram does makes some sense, and it is definitely an interesting topic to debate. These boards see many worse proposals daily, so it definitely isn't the worst idea here
You have three D that really need top line pp time. I don't think power, Dahlin, and Byram make a very good balanced top 4.Fine.
Cirelli is a player the Sabres could certainly use - but he's essentially a third line C making 6.25m.
Byram is a top pair D who has already showed chemistry with Dahlin. He's clearly someone Adams had specifically targeted. It makes no sense that we'd trade him so soon after acquiring him. Even if he was available - he'd have greater trade value than Cirelli.
You guys make me laugh. For the first time in circa 15 years we have a legitimate top 4 with realistic potential to be elite, but you want to call that a log jam?
The real log jam is the group of young, offensively minded prospects that simply won't all be able make this team. THESE are the assets which should be used to make us better.
We'd needed to make a big F for D 'hockey trade' for a while. Byram/Mitts was that trade. Now we must use some of those futures to fill out other areas of need.
I'm not worried about the salary cap either. We're overpaying Dahlin/Power to a similar degree that we're underpaying Thompson/Cozens. You can't look at a roster with a view of only paying X million at forward, Y million at defence, Z million at goalie... You look at the big picture.
I don't agree that any of them NEED PP1 time. If it's even a problem it's a pretty good problem to have.
Hedman was just like Power now. Foolish to trade him but hey I easily take him if buffalo offered that (I know it will not happen)
We had our share of idiots calling for Dahlin to be traded after he had that down year under Ralph Krueger, as well.
Cirelli is a 2C, but okay. There's alot more to his game than just points. Byram is a 2nd pairing dman with upside. In any case, if Tampa isn't getting something of actual value and need, primary a top 4 dman or assets that they can quickly flip to acquire one, Brisebois shouldn't be interested. Tampa has no need to move Cirelli, so they won't be doing so for lesser pieces.Fine.
Cirelli is a player the Sabres could certainly use - but he's essentially a third line C making 6.25m.
Byram is a top pair D who has already showed chemistry with Dahlin. He's clearly someone Adams had specifically targeted. It makes no sense that we'd trade him so soon after acquiring him. Even if he was available - he'd have greater trade value than Cirelli.
You guys make me laugh. For the first time in circa 15 years we have a legitimate top 4 with realistic potential to be elite, but you want to call that a log jam?
The real log jam is the group of young, offensively minded prospects that simply won't all be able make this team. THESE are the assets which should be used to make us better.
We'd needed to make a big F for D 'hockey trade' for a while. Byram/Mitts was that trade. Now we must use some of those futures to fill out other areas of need.
I'm not worried about the salary cap either. We're overpaying Dahlin/Power to a similar degree that we're underpaying Thompson/Cozens. You can't look at a roster with a view of only paying X million at forward, Y million at defence, Z million at goalie... You look at the big picture.
On the Sabres Byram is a first pair D while Cirelli would be 3C behind Thompson & Cozens.
Don't get caught up with labels.
Bolded - I disagree. There's a huge difference between Byram & Cernak. We've only just traded for Byram and that trade took a lifetime in coming. Adams isn't trading him so soon after acquiring him. He should be working on extending him.
