How so?Porn* said:as good as he may be... his competition is way out of his league.
come on... you honestly believe that bochenski might win it over guys like ovechkin, crosby, richards, carter, phaneuf???SensGuy said:How so?
He was the top rookie scorer in the AHL last year. He's stepping into the NHL on a great team, playing with a guy he already has chemistry with in Spezza, and another top level talent in Heatley. He's scored at every level he's ever played at.
It's not always the top prospect who wins the Calder.
Porn* said:come on... you honestly believe that bochenski might win it over guys like ovechkin, crosby, richards, carter, phaneuf???
points aren't everything in the calder... as seen by defensemen winning the award.boredmale said:I am not saying he will, but let's say he does lead rookies in scoring this year, why shouldn't he be considered?
Porn* said:points aren't everything in the calder... as seen by defensemen winning the award.
I"m not saying he won't have a good season, I just dont think its realistic to say he's a contender for the calder.
Porn* said:points aren't everything in the calder... as seen by defensemen winning the award.
I"m not saying he won't have a good season, I just dont think its realistic to say he's a contender for the calder.
You're listing guys that have much more hype than Bochenski. Why can't Bochenski win it over those guys? He's older than all of them, more mature, has played a full year of pro hockey already, and is going to be on one of the top offensive teams in the NHL.Porn* said:come on... you honestly believe that bochenski might win it over guys like ovechkin, crosby, richards, carter, phaneuf???
come on...
not the same thing... this year will have a very deep rookie class.SensGuy said:You're listing guys that have much more hype than Bochenski. Why can't Bochenski win it over those guys? He's older than all of them, more mature, has played a full year of pro hockey already, and is going to be on one of the top offensive teams in the NHL.
Did anyone expect Trent Hunter and Micheal Ryder to be the top rookie scorers last season?
Porn* said:points aren't everything in the calder... as seen by defensemen winning the award.
I"m not saying he won't have a good season, I just dont think its realistic to say he's a contender for the calder.
noise is one thing... darkhorse for the calder is another. I agreed that he was good and that he'd have a great season, but I guess that wasn't enough for the other sens fans. For all we know, he could flop and get dropped off the spezza,heater linediscostu said:I don't see anyone listing him as a favourite for the award, but, people are saying that he could be a candidate. That's all.
No one is arguing that Bochenski is in the same prospect calibre of Crosby, Ovechkin, etc., but, he's a guy, that's a little older. He's in the right place at the right time.
All people are saying is that he may be able to make some noise.
Porn* said:noise is one thing... darkhorse for the calder is another. I agreed that he was good and that he'd have a great season, but I guess that wasn't enough for the other sens fans. For all we know, he could flop and get dropped off the spezza,heater line
Who says those guys won't burn out? Neither have played an 82 game schedule, whereas Bochenski played one in the AHL last year.Porn* said:not the same thing... this year will have a very deep rookie class.
Lead by two of the future stars of the game in Crosby who will be playing with Lemieux and probably Recchi and Ovechkin who will lead Washington.
Didn't barrett jackman win the calder? I could bewrong...
I guess opinions aren't appreciated here if they are anti majority, in this case sens. such non-sense.
and sensguy... hype does have a part in this, since the nominees are voted in.
not necessairly...TheCoach said:If he's good and has a great season, wouldn't he be in contention for the Calder?
he doesn't have the skill, talent that guys like crosby, ovechkin, phaneuf, carter, richards, etc... have... i'm sorry he just doesn't.SensGuy said:Who says those guys won't burn out? Neither have played an 82 game schedule, whereas Bochenski played one in the AHL last year.
Bochenski has to be included as one of the top Calder candidates for these reasons.
1. Bochenski led the AHL in rookie scoring last year. Vanek and Parise were behind him, yet people think they are better candidates than Bo even though they are on weaker teams with lesser linemates. It doesn't make sense. Bo has been able to score at every level he's played at.
2. Bochenski already has chemistry with the guy he will be playing with, Jason Spezza. Spezza's a playmaker, and Bochenski's a goalscorer. And their other linemate isn't too bad either...
3. Bochenski is coming into a great situation, on one of the best teams in the league that will no doubt be one of the top scoring teams.
It's not that your opinions don't matter, it's just you say Bochenski has no chance because it's a deep rookie class. Bochenski has proven more than most of the rookies coming into the NHL.
Porn* said:not necessairly...
Porn* said:Didn't barrett jackman win the calder? I could bewrong....
they could all have "great seasons"TheCoach said:So there will be 5 other rookies who will have better than great seasons?
Porn* said:he doesn't have the skill, talent that guys like crosby, ovechkin, phaneuf, carter, richards, etc... have... i'm sorry he just doesn't.
sue me for being realistic, and i'm not being a biased leaf fan.
not the point... a defensive dman won it. Therefore it isn't purely offensive merit!boredmale said:when he did win it Zetterberg lead all rookies in points with 44(which is good but nothing spectacular). This year i expect at least 1 if not more to break 60 points which would make a solid defensive players get over shadowed.
so because he did well in the ahl he'll do well in the nhl?TheCoach said:It doesn't matter if he doesn't have the skill of those guys. I don't think anyone is saying he does.
But, Bochenski is in a better situation and will be playing with better players than most of those guys. He's also older and has more pro experience.
Talent doesn't matter in the Calder race. Production does. I think Bochenski will be up there in production.
Just look at last year in the AHL. Zach Parise and Tomas Vanek are both more talented than Bochenski. But he still outscored both of them.
Porn* said:so because he did well in the ahl he'll do well in the nhl?
Do you have any idea of how many guys rock the ahl and then don't do anything in the nhl? don't make me laugh...
Porn* said:not the point... a defensive dman won it. Therefore it isn't purely offensive merit!
And I must say 60pts for a rookie is quite high... possible but high. And if that is the case.. bochenski won't get near that imho.
I would have to disagree... if Phaneuf or any solid defensvie player steps in and makes an impact on their team... and helps contend for a playoff spot or something substantial then they should/could/may be considered.boredmale said:i didn't say it was based on offensive merit, more the award is stat based(which comprises both offensive and goalie stats). The year that a defesive player won it, it was more because there wasn't any other good candidates then anything else, therefore Jackman got consideration(add tot he fact he was a plus 23 which might have been the most impressive statistic that year for a rookie).
This year there is way to many good offensive players, that a great defensive player can play and he will get overshadowed by the stats.