Brad Treliving is doing a great job.

[thewave]

They didn't have any impacts or limitations. They were known in the offseason, and that cap space was used. We needed a top-4 defenseman, and somehow Treliving's solution was to overpay a bottom pairing defenseman that had fallen off a cliff, and then when he got injured, spend assets replacing him with more bottom pairing defensemen with pretty identical attributes to what we already had.

Bringing in a top player and re-signing your best players to reasonable contracts is not why we're in this mess.
Treliving had full choice over what goalies he wanted to go with. He wasn't locked into anything.

Hold up. So BT had autonomy with the team once Dubas left, but Dubas did not have autonomy to make his changes?

You've gone from goal post shifts to full blown logical fallacies, contradictions and the reframing of the realities you swear up and down exist.

Dekes you've evolved from dekes to the big bang.

 

[thewave]

He built a contender. Unfortunately it didn't result in a cup, but still pretty successful considering the team situation he inherited and the league situation he had to maneuver.

Hunter and Dubas selected Marner, after internal discussions with the rest of the team staff about this franchise-altering lottery pick. McMann was brought in by Dubas, and signed by Dubas. Even by your interpretation, it would still be Dubas, because he brought in the AHL GM. It's a bit odd that you're attempting to strip Dubas of credit for things he actually did, while simultaneously attempting to give Treliving credit for something he had no involvement in.

Sounds like you're calling the President of the team a liar in an attempt to convince people of something you have zero evidence of.

Dekes not every team that makes the PO is a contender. A team that hits the conference finals a couple times in a row may be. Not a first round exit team though.

He really built a failure

 

[DraftSchmaft]

I'm not convinced a Dubas built team would last more than 5 games against the Bruins where we experienced very awkward situations with our 3 amigos.

Dubas sucked at building well balanced teams so those teams can't survive even the slightest dip in core performance.

This bottom pairing D some people cry about are a big reason we dominated the majority of the last 9 regulation periods.

 

[Tak7]

He built a contender. Unfortunately it didn't result in a cup, but still pretty successful considering the team situation he inherited and the league situation he had to maneuver.

They won just 3 more games than the Capitals.

They aren't contenders.

How are some still convinced that they are ?!

 

[Maple Leaf]

I realize that he was a good GM, that put out fires others created, and prevented future ones, while building great teams.

There was nothing wrong with the cap structure, and our playoff losses over the years had nothing to do with that.

Nobody did that. You just excluded a bunch originally.

No, but it is weird to not understand that the selection was made by the person Dubas hired. Pretty beside the point regardless.

Dubas was so bad I wonder if he sabotaged the team

 

[Dekes For Days]

Contenders win.

All but one contender loses in any given year. That doesn't change that they were a contender. See 4thline's post.

Hunter was in charge and made the he decision, and he didn’t respect Dubas enough to value his opinion.

Both Dubas and Hunter were in charge of the team as co-GMs, and the Marner selection was a collective team decision.
As for the second part.. not that being respected by Hunter is worth anything, but seems as if you're making claims without any evidence again.

If Dubas did such a great job, he would have left a huge number of valuable players behind.

He left plenty of valuable players and a healthy prospect pool behind, but no, the job of a GM can take many different forms, and a GM does not have to personally acquire all of the next GM's top players to have done a good job. His job was to build good teams while he was in charge, and set the team up well for the next guy. He did both of those. By the logic you're using, a GM could just trade away all their best players for worse but still valuable players, and mission accomplished apparently.

 

[Dreakmur]

All but one contender loses in any given year. That doesn't change that they were a contender. See 4thline's post.

Not all contenders win the cup, but they all won rounds. 1 team wins the cup, but 8 win a round, 4 win two rounds and 2 win 3 rounds.

Both Dubas and Hunter were in charge of the team as co-GMs, and the Marner selection was a collective team decision.
As for the second part.. not that being respected by Hunter is worth anything, but seems as if you're making claims without any evidence again.

Hunter absolutely did no respect Dubas.

He left plenty of valuable players and a healthy prospect pool behind, but no, the job of a GM can take many different forms, and a GM does not have to personally acquire all of the next GM's top players to have done a good job. His job was to build good teams while he was in charge, and set the team up well for the next guy. He did both of those. By the logic you're using, a GM could just trade away all their best players for worse but still valuable players, and mission accomplished apparently.

The most valuable assets still here are just guys he overpaid to retain. He didn’t acquire any of them.

 

[Dekes For Days]

So BT had autonomy with the team once Dubas left, but Dubas did not have autonomy to make his changes?

What are you talking about? Nobody was discussing any of this. Both GMs were able to make changes to the team.

Dekes not every team that makes the PO is a contender.

Agreed. The best teams in the league, however, are.

They won just 3 more games than the Capitals.

I wasn't referring to this year.

 

[ToneDog]

They won just 3 more games than the Capitals.

They aren't contenders.

How are some still convinced that they are ?!

But Tavares said we are so close. Dilution runs ramped in Leaf land. The POHO still thinks they will win with this core. LOL.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Not all contenders win the cup, but they all won rounds.

Some of the top contenders in the cap era ended up losing in the 1st round. That doesn't erase their contender status. That's not how contender status works.

The most valuable assets still here are just guys he overpaid to retain. He didn’t acquire any of them.

He did acquire some of them, and retained the others on reasonable contracts.
Built good teams while he was in charge, and then left behind a bunch of good players and a healthy prospect pool that helped us a ton this year.

 

[Cleetus]

All but one contender loses in any given year. That doesn't change that they were a contender. See 4thline's post.

Both Dubas and Hunter were in charge of the team as co-GMs, and the Marner selection was a collective team decision.
As for the second part.. not that being respected by Hunter is worth anything, but seems as if you're making claims without any evidence again.

He left plenty of valuable players and a healthy prospect pool behind, but no, the job of a GM can take many different forms, and a GM does not have to personally acquire all of the next GM's top players to have done a good job. His job was to build good teams while he was in charge, and set the team up well for the next guy. He did both of those. By the logic you're using, a GM could just trade away all their best players for worse but still valuable players, and mission accomplished apparently.

this Relates to a Brad Treliving thread how? can you not keep the thread on topic? where in the Title does it say Dubas?

 

[saffronleaf]

They won just 3 more games than the Capitals.

They aren't contenders.

How are some still convinced that they are ?!

The argument would be that if you look at the last 5 years or so the best teams in the league in wins have been Boston tb leafs. Hard division. Like how caps always got eliminated by elite pens team.

Why it falls apart though is Columbus and Montreal

 

[Tak7]

The argument would be that if you look at the last 5 years or so the best teams in the league in wins have been Boston tb leafs. Hard division. Like how caps always got eliminated by elite pens team.

Why it falls apart though is Columbus and Montreal

You dismantled your own argument

They aren't contenders.

 

[Aashir Mallik]

Some of the top contenders in the cap era ended up losing in the 1st round. That doesn't erase their contender status. That's not how contender status works.

He did acquire some of them, and retained the others on reasonable contracts.
Built good teams while he was in charge, and then left behind a bunch of good players and a healthy prospect pool that helped us a ton this year.

Not a single “contender” has lost 7 times in the first round in 8 attempts

 

[Tak7]

But Tavares said we are so close. Dilution runs ramped in Leaf land. The POHO still thinks they will win with this core. LOL.

I tune out almost everything Tavares says - he's been here 6 years and I can't think of a single interesting or memorable thing he's ever said, because he's just not that sort of guy. I put 0 stock in him saying what he said, because frankly I wouldn't expect him to say anything else; he touts the organizational line like a pre-rehearsed robot, which is fine. Not a criticism

 

[Dekes For Days]

Not a single “contender” has lost 7 times in the first round in 8 attempts

Pretty arbitrarily specific criteria, and nobody has said we were a contender in all of those years anyway.

 

[IPS]

He built one of the best teams in the league year after year, through some of the most difficult situations. They were a contender.

No, Hunter did not get free rein to personally decide a franchise-altering lottery pick as a temporary co-interim GM. We know that there were widespread internal discussions, from the scouts, to the coach, to management, that Dubas was an equal part of. Whoever you think brought in McMann (Dubas, or the guy Dubas hired), it still goes back to Dubas.

Yes, he was doing PR management. PR management to calm concerns about the fact that he brought in a GM that couldn't be involved in the team's draft decision.

How do you keep posting when you keep getting dunked on so hard. Do you enjoy embarrassment or something?

 

[Aashir Mallik]

Pretty arbitrarily specific criteria, and nobody has said we were a contender in all of those years anyway.

Says the person who brings up 5v5 points against greater than .900 goaltending from the regular season in the playoffs

we’ve been “contenders” or more properly put pretenders since 2018-19

 

[ITM]

The context is kind of mental.

Treliving came in last summer on the heels of a half-decade monkey wrench.

It is unreasonable to expect a substantial difference in the span of a season, moreover when the tools necessary to impact the team on a somewhat even playing field are limited to Treliving until two things happen:

1. Tavares and Marner waive their NMCs.
2. Treliving declines to re-sign/extend Tavares and Marner.

And the inference is obvious: $22M dollars that would greatly transform our club's makeup by attending to needs, mostly on defence.

There's a lesser window opening in which smaller controllable moves can be made. Like walking away from certain contracts, trading players that can be replaces by modest free-agent signings but in return, replenish (to an extent) our depleted draft picks cupboard.

But the context to determine what impact Treliving has can only be determine with informed perspective until the negative moves of Dubas have lessened in effect, and the moves Treliving makes (positive or negative) begin to take effect.

And that takes (unfortunately in this day and age) longer than the average attention span can tolerate.

So far, his moves have been outsized in their positive impact. So much so that we can note Klingberg, to a much lesser extent Reaves, and simply discuss the degree of positive impact all his other very good moves have provided.

This was Year One for Treliving. We shifted focus to a much more physical style, that pulled an uncharacteristic quote from Marchand. We were injured. We didn't "find a way", because most times, the exception is the exception for good reasons.

But his positives have made a difference. The chemistry from his moves and influence looks poised to increase.

I'm on the side that sees wisdom in his contributions, even if we didn't push on for many understandable reasons, frustration aside.

Come what may, I think Treliving has done a very good job in his first year. I'm hopeful Domi and Bertuzzi remain for team first contracts.

If he can do that, then call his first year great.

 

[Apex Predator]

How do you keep posting when you keep getting dunked on so hard. Do you enjoy embarrassment or something?

It’s like ex that broke up with them and they can’t get over it.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Says the person who brings up 5v5 points against greater than .900 goaltending from the regular season in the playoffs

...I'm not even sure what this is supposed to mean, or what you're referring to, or what this has to do with contenders.

 

[IPS]

What are you talking about? Nobody was discussing any of this. Both GMs were able to make changes to the team

Now he's gonna pretend like he wasn't arguing all of last summer that Dubas' moves were limited by Shanahan

 

[Welsh Maple Leaf]

Treliving done such a good job people still can't stop crying about Dubas

 

[Tak7]

What Tavares has taught me in his time here is that being Team Canada royalty buys you A LOT of good will.

?
He held up his end of the deal.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Now he's gonna pretend like he wasn't arguing all of last summer that Dubas' moves were limited by Shanahan

You seem to have misunderstood both what was being discussed back then and right now.