Brad Treliving is doing a great job.

[Americanadian]

Pending any other signings, he'll be tied for 6th highest next year.

He was top ten this year, even playing mainly on the second and third lines, with Tavares usually his best linemate.

You truly believe Nylander was a top 10 forward this year? I get he was #10 in points but all of Hughes, Crosby, Kaprizov, Forsberg, Reinhart, Aho, Larkin, Tkachuk, Pettersson, Barkov, Point were better than him.

He's got a decent track record of finding hidden gems in Calgary.

Adam Fox, Andrew Mangiapane, Oliver Kylington, Dustin Wolf in the draft in the later rounds.

Those are all draft picks though. That’s not what we were talking about. The conversation was around trades/signings.

 

[Thornbury]

Mitch needs to be SAT or TRADED his choice .. JT needs to sit on LTIR or TRADED or SAT so we can build a team like Tampa and Vegas did his choice .. bottom line these are da 2 big events that will define Tre .. after Shanny/Keefer are canned .. playing around with any of these decisions by board will only mean next year is a complete waste of time for all involved .. time to step up Larry .. there is no need for post exit interviews .. everyone is trying their best

Simply sitting JT would accomplish nothing as his contract would still be on the books. You'll have to ride out his last year, but try like hell to find a way to move Mitch this summer.

 

[Tak7]

no point planning around matthews' prime. he's in his prime and does nothing to help the team in the playoffs.

You don't have a choice.

 

[thewave]

You don't have a choice.

Everything we do is with WN and AM. MR JT and MM are basically shot in the POs. Its dead cap wasted completely. Keefe and the rest of coaching need gone. Shanny too.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Brad has managed to emulate the same result of a 1st round loss that the greatest GM, to have ever GM'd the Leafs managed to achieve in his first season.

If he can somehow keep up the insatiable levels of performance shown by the best GM we have ever had, we could see 2nd round action as early as the 28/29 season.

A lot of luck will have to fall Brad's way to match such high levels, but we do owe it to him to try.

 

[ToneDog]

I was hoping Brad would do in less than a year on the job what it took Kyle to do in 5 and without mortgaging the future. Time to fire your next bullet Brad and remove the rookie coach hired by the rookie GM. 5 and 14 at home in the playoffs but, but he has a better regular season winning percentage than Scotty Bowman. Some posters kill me.

 

[notbias]

He's got a decent track record of finding hidden gems in Calgary.

Adam Fox, Andrew Mangiapane, Oliver Kylington, Dustin Wolf in the draft in the later rounds.

But where is the success? That's the issue, those players have not translated into winning.

 

[Stephen]

But where is the success? That's the issue, those players have not translated into winning.

I didn’t say he was particularly successful.

 

[Stephen]

You truly believe Nylander was a top 10 forward this year? I get he was #10 in points but all of Hughes, Crosby, Kaprizov, Forsberg, Reinhart, Aho, Larkin, Tkachuk, Pettersson, Barkov, Point were better than him.


Those are all draft picks though. That’s not what we were talking about. The conversation was around trades/signings.

He drafted a Norris winner and some decent pieces outside of the first round. I’d take that as a positive any way you want to nitpick.

 

[ULF_55]

You truly believe Nylander was a top 10 forward this year? I get he was #10 in points but all of Hughes, Crosby, Kaprizov, Forsberg, Reinhart, Aho, Larkin, Tkachuk, Pettersson, Barkov, Point were better than him.

Why were they all better?

Just curious.

 

[notbias]

I didn’t say he was particularly successful.

He has the same level of success that Dubas had, so that should be how successful you think he is.

Every team can point out a few guys that were developed or drafted late, normally ours gets attributed to the scouting department and not the GM though for some reason.

 

[notDatsyuk]

what was the 3rd we gave up for Schenn? or the 3rd we got back for Engvall?

You're being obtuse.

Last year Dubas gave up 2 firsts and (IIRC) nothing lower than a fourth. This year Tre gave up two sixths and nothing higher than a third.

 

[Stephen]

He has the same level of success that Dubas had, so that should be how successful you think he is.

Every team can point out a few guys that were developed or drafted late, normally ours gets attributed to the scouting department and not the GM though for some reason.

No one brought up Kyle Dubas.

 

[notDatsyuk]

You truly believe Nylander was a top 10 forward this year? I get he was #10 in points but all of Hughes, Crosby, Kaprizov, Forsberg, Reinhart, Aho, Larkin, Tkachuk, Pettersson, Barkov, Point were better than him.

You truly believe Hughes, Crosby, Kaprizov, Forsberg, Reinhart, Aho, Larkin, Tkachuk, Pettersson, Barkov, Point were all better than him?

Which missed the point anyway.

 

[1specter]

The real work will begin soon.

 

[notbias]

No one brought up Kyle Dubas.

I am just pointing out some GMs are praised for their drafting, while others, the scouting department are.

Like other GMs, I am not sure that Treliving is that involved with picks outside the first round.

If he hired the scouting department in Calgary, hopefully, he can bring some over here and they can work with Wes.

As far as Dubas, I was pointing out someone who has the same success and is often said to be a failure.

 

[Fogelhund]

At the end of the day, this was the worst version of the Leafs team we've seen in years, in both the regular season and playoffs. That's all I have to say about that.

 

[Nineteen67]

Treliving resume suggests he can’t build a good team and I won’t be thrilled if he’s given the chance to restructure the Leafs.

 

[IPS]

At the end of the day, this was the worst version of the Leafs team we've seen in years, in both the regular season and playoffs. That's all I have to say about that.

Lol no. The 2020 team that lost to Columbus in 5 games still takes that cake.

 

[Americanadian]

Why were they all better?

Just curious.

I would go player by player if I was by my computer but all players listed were better than Nylander either a. their defensive impact outweighs the gap in production (Reinhart, Barkov, Tkachuk), b. they lead their team in points and would most likely have more points than Nylander on the Leafs (Kaprizov, Crosby, Forsberg, Hughes), c. they are probably equally impactful but they play C (Larkin, Aho, Point, Pettersson)

 

[Apex Predator]

2nd time GM’s can go either way. There rep can take a hit or they can improve there image. Did they learn from past mistakes or are they doomed to repeat it. I’m willing to give Treliving a chance and not write him off after one year.

So far he’s not off to the best start to show he’s learned from past mistakes. We’ll see how everything plays out but if they leafs did decide to clean house in the front office I wouldn’t be upset if they let him go and started fresh with everyone.

 

[Tak7]

Treliving resume suggests he can’t build a good team and I won’t be thrilled if he’s given the chance to restructure the Leafs.

He was hired as a "Yes-Man" without an actual GM search last summer.

He will absolutely be given time to structure the Leafs. Biggest fear is he turns us into Calgary - there's a reason they wanted no part of him at the end.

 

[GoonieFace]

At the end of the day, this was the worst version of the Leafs team we've seen in years, in both the regular season and playoffs. That's all I have to say about that.

I enjoyed this version of the Leafs much more than past teams. They actually showed some fight. These guys just don’t have it in them, it’s a shame really.

 

[leafs in five]

You're being obtuse.

Last year Dubas gave up 2 firsts and (IIRC) nothing lower than a fourth. This year Tre gave up two sixths and nothing higher than a third.

he also acquired a 1st and a 3rd (last year)

 

[Americanadian]

He drafted a Norris winner and some decent pieces outside of the first round. I’d take that as a positive any way you want to nitpick.

I agree that’s a positive but is that more so on who he hired as a head scout or the players he scouted himself? Either way he gets credit but he hasn’t picked the head scout in Toronto.