Bobrovsky signs: 2 years, 11.25 million, (post 854)

[Roadman]

Player Pos Team Age Start End Length Amount
1. Bryzgalov, Ilya » G PHI 32 2011 2020 9 $8,000,000
2. Rinne, Pekka » G NAS 30 2012 2019 7 $7,000,000
3. Quick, Jonathan » G LAK 27 2013 2023 10 $7,000,000
4. Luongo, R » G VAN 34 2010 2022 12 $6,714,000
5. Ward, Cam » G CAR 29 2010 2016 6 $6,600,000
6. Miller, Ryan » G BUF 32 2009 2014 5 $6,250,000
7. Lehtonen, Kari » G DAL 29 2013 2018 5 $6,250,000
8. Fleury, Marc-A » G PIT 28 2008 2015 7 $5,750,000
9. Price, Carey » G MTL 25 2012 2018 6 $5,750,000
10. Howard, Jimmy » G DET 29 2013 2019 6 $5,500,000
11. Lundqvist, Henr » G NYR 31 2008 2014 6 $5,125,000
12. Brodeur, Martin » G NJD 41 2012 2014 2 $5,000,000
13. Halak, Jaroslav » G STL 27 2010 2014 4 $4,500,000
14. Hiller, Jonas » G ANA 31 2010 2014 4 $4,500,000
15. DiPietro, Rick » G NYI 31 2006 2021 15 $4,500,000
16. Niemi, Antti » G SJS 29 2011 2015 4 $4,000,000
17. Schneider, Cory » G VAN 27 2012 2015 3 $4,000,000
18. Dubnyk, Devan » G EDM 27 2012 2014 2 $3,750,000
19. Pavelec, Ondrej » G WIN 25 2012 2017 5 $3,500,000
20. Anderson, Craig » G OTT 31 2011 2015 4 $3,500,000
21. Varlamov, Se » G COL 25 2011 2014 3 $3,000,000
22. Crawford, Core » G CHI 28 2011 2014 3 $2,500,000
23. Neuvirth, Michal » G WAS 25 2013 2015 2 $2,400,000
24. Fasth, Viktor » G ANA 30 2013 2015 2 $2,400,000
25. Bishop, Ben » G TBL 26 2013 2015 2 $2,200,000

Top 25 paid Goalies from capgeek
http://capgeek.com/leaders/?season=2013&type=SALARY&position=G&limit=2

Where do you slot Bob?

 

[Samkow]

http://bluejacketsxtra.dispatch.com/content/blogs/puck-rakers/2013/05/notebook-511.html

Been asked a hundred times what kind of money Bobrovsky might be seeking. Very hard to say, and Theofanous won't do coffee. But we'll peg it at $4 million per year on a two-year deal and $3.5M per year on a four-year deal. But those $$$ numbers are creeping upward by the day.

Once again, these numbers seem extremely low. Bob is a top 10 goalie in the league. I expect him to be paid like one, RFA or not.

 

[EspenK]

I've said this before and I'll say it again Bob presents a quandry for Jarmo.

Based on THIS year he's worth a lot. But so was Bryzgalov when Philly signed him. As were Luongo,Price,Fleury,Ward, Miller and Halak. All had good years and in some cases good careers before signing their deals. Think there isn't some regret with some of those now?

Perhaps the compromise is more dollars, shorter term. If he plays lights out for the next 2 or 4 yrs then he hits the jackpot. If not the its advantage Jackets. In any case I think the term is one of those.

I think Jarmo would be nuts to offer up a long term deal at big dollars.

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

I've said this before and I'll say it again Bob presents a quandry for Jarmo.

Based on THIS year he's worth a lot. But so was Bryzgalov when Philly signed him. As were Luongo,Price,Fleury,Ward, Miller and Halak. All had good years and in some cases good careers before signing their deals. Think there isn't some regret with some of those now?

Perhaps the compromise is more dollars, shorter term. If he plays lights out for the next 2 or 4 yrs then he hits the jackpot. If not the its advantage Jackets. In any case I think the term is one of those.

I think Jarmo would be nuts to offer up a long term deal at big dollars.

The salary cap game is different now so GM's have to be more careful on how money is spent. There are no more long term back diving deals like Bryz, Loungo, or DiPietro. Quick's actual cap hit is 5.8 and not 7 and he has won a cup.

I'd be more inclined to put him in the realm of Jonas Hiller at 4.5 but not more than the 5 that Martin Brodeur makes. He probably will get more than the 4 that Schneider has in Vancouver and his contract is based just as much on future potential as Bobs should be.

 

[punk_o_holic]

Player Pos Team Age Start End Length Amount
1. Bryzgalov, Ilya » G PHI 32 2011 2020 9 $8,000,000
2. Rinne, Pekka » G NAS 30 2012 2019 7 $7,000,000
3. Quick, Jonathan » G LAK 27 2013 2023 10 $7,000,000
4. Luongo, R » G VAN 34 2010 2022 12 $6,714,000
5. Ward, Cam » G CAR 29 2010 2016 6 $6,600,000
6. Miller, Ryan » G BUF 32 2009 2014 5 $6,250,000
7. Lehtonen, Kari » G DAL 29 2013 2018 5 $6,250,000
8. Fleury, Marc-A » G PIT 28 2008 2015 7 $5,750,000
9. Price, Carey » G MTL 25 2012 2018 6 $5,750,000
10. Howard, Jimmy » G DET 29 2013 2019 6 $5,500,000
11. Lundqvist, Henr » G NYR 31 2008 2014 6 $5,125,000
12. Brodeur, Martin » G NJD 41 2012 2014 2 $5,000,000
13. Halak, Jaroslav » G STL 27 2010 2014 4 $4,500,000
14. Hiller, Jonas » G ANA 31 2010 2014 4 $4,500,000
15. DiPietro, Rick » G NYI 31 2006 2021 15 $4,500,000
16. Niemi, Antti » G SJS 29 2011 2015 4 $4,000,000
17. Schneider, Cory » G VAN 27 2012 2015 3 $4,000,000
18. Dubnyk, Devan » G EDM 27 2012 2014 2 $3,750,000
19. Pavelec, Ondrej » G WIN 25 2012 2017 5 $3,500,000
20. Anderson, Craig » G OTT 31 2011 2015 4 $3,500,000
21. Varlamov, Se » G COL 25 2011 2014 3 $3,000,000
22. Crawford, Core » G CHI 28 2011 2014 3 $2,500,000
23. Neuvirth, Michal » G WAS 25 2013 2015 2 $2,400,000
24. Fasth, Viktor » G ANA 30 2013 2015 2 $2,400,000
25. Bishop, Ben » G TBL 26 2013 2015 2 $2,200,000

Top 25 paid Goalies from capgeek
http://capgeek.com/leaders/?season=2013&type=SALARY&position=G&limit=2

Where do you slot Bob?

In between Anderson ($3.5) to Halak ($4.5). Lundqvist is at $5.125, I don't think he should be in his territory. Howard is at $5.5 but he got his money based on becoming a UFA.

WOuld Jarmo or Bob be willing to do a 1 year deal and meet in the middle? Then basically say, next year if you play the same as you did down the stretch, we will give you more closer to the terms you want. But if you don't play as well as last season, then you have to lower your demands to closer to what we're offering.

 

[jacketman10]

Highest I would go is 4.5 million a year. I actually prefer an amount no more than 4 million. He has not proven he can put together back to back seasons of consistency. If he continues at numbers near last year then his next contract will go for near 6 million, imo.

 

[Cyclones Rock]

In between Anderson ($3.5) to Halak ($4.5). Lundqvist is at $5.125, I don't think he should be in his territory. Howard is at $5.5 but he got his money based on becoming a UFA.

WOuld Jarmo or Bob be willing to do a 1 year deal and meet in the middle? Then basically say, next year if you play the same as you did down the stretch, we will give you more closer to the terms you want. But if you don't play as well as last season, then you have to lower your demands to closer to what we're offering.

Can't see that happening. But, I do think that your projected salary range for Bob is fair and accurate.

When a player has an exceptional season and is a free agent (RFA or UFA), the old cliche "strike while the iron is hot" usually applies.

I'll predict a 4 year deal at $4-4.5/m per. Bob has had 2 out 3 good seasons as an NHLer and stands a good chance of winning the Vezina.

He's not going to take a deal which doesn't put him near the middle of the pack of starting goalies. Nor should he. The fact that he's not a UFA will allow Jarmo to sign him at "under market" relative to the full universe of goalies in the NHL, but his performance will make it impossible for Jarmo to lowball him either in terms of length or amount of the deal.

I mean, can anyone reasonably expect him to take a significant discount to Umberger's contract ( $4.6m/yr 4 years)

 

[major major]

Can't see that happening. But, I do think that your projected salary range for Bob is fair and accurate.

When a player has an exceptional season and is a free agent (RFA or UFA), the old cliche "strike while the iron is hot" usually applies.

I'll predict a 4 year deal at $4-4.5/m per. Bob has had 2 out 3 good seasons as an NHLer and stands a good chance of winning the Vezina.

He's not going to take a deal which doesn't put him near the middle of the pack of starting goalies. Nor should he. The fact that he's not a UFA will allow Jarmo to sign him at "under market" relative to the full universe of goalies in the NHL, but his performance will make it impossible for Jarmo to lowball him either in terms of length or amount of the deal.

I mean, can anyone reasonably expect him to take a significant discount to Umberger's contract ( $4.6m/yr 4 years)

All true, but I'd prefer a 2 year deal. 2 yrs at $4-5million per is fine by me.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Slava Malamud ‏@SlavaMalamud 31m

Some totally expected news. SKA Saint Petersburg are after Sergei Bobrovsky, who played there during the lockout. Big money on table #CBJ

@dchesnokov It looks like #KHL's SKA is set to make an offer to #CBJ Bobrovsky. Bob wants to be in the NHL, but SKA's money is good.

Dmitry Chesnokov ‏@dchesnokov 32m

One more note on Bobrovsky. He played for SKA during the lockout. The current national team coach may coach SKA after the Olympics.

 

[EspenK]

Things appear to be progressing slowly, if at all. Looks like Jarmo is not going to be able to lowball him. If he waits till he wins the Vezina its going to be more.

http://bluejacketsxtra.dispatch.com/content/stories/2013/05/23/no-progress-in-contract-talks-with-bobrovsky.html

 

[blahblah]

Things appear to be progressing slowly, if at all. Looks like Jarmo is not going to be able to lowball him. If he waits till he wins the Vezina its going to be more.

http://bluejacketsxtra.dispatch.com/content/stories/2013/05/23/no-progress-in-contract-talks-with-bobrovsky.html

Yeah, I saw that. There will be disagreement on contract and terms and both sides will have a point. This isn't an issue of "low balling", this is a player that is attempting to be paid on 30 games of performance since he performance the previous two seasons are a wash.

Nothing wrong with what either side is doing, this far. The both have valid points. This was going to likely be the toughest RFA contract we had.

I like the comment on matching anything. I'm not sure I buy it, there aren't going max/max with him if someone was stupid enough to offer, but I still like the comment.

What I don't like is players turning over all contract discussions to the agent. This is a personal preference of mine, but I like to be involved in process of my future at an intimate level. The agent would just be there to protect me from doing something stupid.

 

[skimp]

 

[cbjgirl]

Not surprised that talks haven't progressed. If I were his agent I'd be saying wait until after the Vezina has been awarded before you sign anything.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

When that was first released yesterday (at least that's when it came across my FB feed), the second text screen said "...bonified bromance". I commented on the misspelling. It's been fixed and my comment removed.

For what it's worth.

 

[skimp]

Atinlay isway ardhay.

 

[pete goegan]

What I don't like is players turning over all contract discussions to the agent. This is a personal preference of mine, but I like to be involved in process of my future at an intimate level. The agent would just be there to protect me from doing something stupid.

Perfectly understandable in your case, but he's a 24 year old Russian athlete without extensive financial training. He's probably wise to stay in the background in these negotiations and allow his agent to make the deal and take any heat that is generated. I'm sure he'll consult with the agent, set out rough perameters, and retain final approval (which is probably what I'd do, not being much of a negotiator, myself!).

 

[blahblah]

Perfectly understandable in your case, but he's a 24 year old Russian athlete without extensive financial training. He's probably wise to stay in the background in these negotiations and allow his agent to make the deal and take any heat that is generated. I'm sure he'll consult with the agent, set out rough perameters, and retain final approval (which is probably what I'd do, not being much of a negotiator, myself!).

Has nothing to do with age or nationality. I would have done the same at 19 in another country dealing with people of another language. That is why they created translators. The financial training part is overblown, you can be part of the framework.

Your assumption on his involvement may be inaccurate other than, of course, final approval.

 

[EspenK]

Yeah, I saw that. There will be disagreement on contract and terms and both sides will have a point. This isn't an issue of "low balling", this is a player that is attempting to be paid on 30 games of performance since he performance the previous two seasons are a wash.

Nothing wrong with what either side is doing, this far. The both have valid points. This was going to likely be the toughest RFA contract we had.

I like the comment on matching anything. I'm not sure I buy it, there aren't going max/max with him if someone was stupid enough to offer, but I still like the comment.

What I don't like is players turning over all contract discussions to the agent. This is a personal preference of mine, but I like to be involved in process of my future at an intimate level. The agent would just be there to protect me from doing something stupid.

Unless they changed it in new CBA, imo most we'd have to match is in the "over $5,046,585 to $6,728,781" range or we would get a 1st,2nd & 3rd as comp.

So assuming you'd have to pay on the downside 3.5 for a good replacement the question then are those 3 worth the 12 mill or so you'd save over a 4 yr contract?

If Milbury was still GM and offered him 8 mill plus, I'd take the 4 1sts and run. Otherwise I think the match is a given.

 

[blahblah]

Unless they changed it in new CBA, imo most we'd have to match is in the "over $5,046,585 to $6,728,781" range or we would get a 1st,2nd & 3rd as comp.

So assuming you'd have to pay on the downside 3.5 for a good replacement the question then are those 3 worth the 12 mill or so you'd save over a 4 yr contract?

If Milbury was still GM and offered him 8 mill plus, I'd take the 4 1sts and run. Otherwise I think the match is a given.

Honestly I don't know where you are going with this, however if someone were to offer him a 6 year 36 million dollar deal I, personally, would thank him for his service and look elsewhere.

I have no idea what JK would do, but my hope would be he'd think hard even about a 6 year 30 million deal. The dollars would have to come way down before I signed anything beyond 4 years and anything over 4.5 million would be in the 1 year variety.

Now if someone offered him 3 years @ 14 million, I would have to match.

I hope that clears up what I would do and where I would start to think that JK might come off his statement. I don't think JK is going to, potentially, bring down this franchise with an undeserved and, potentially, disastrous contract.

There are a lot of people around here way to free with what they would give him, imo.

 

[Skraut]

Unless they changed it in new CBA, imo most we'd have to match is in the "over $5,046,585 to $6,728,781" range or we would get a 1st,2nd & 3rd as comp.

So assuming you'd have to pay on the downside 3.5 for a good replacement the question then are those 3 worth the 12 mill or so you'd save over a 4 yr contract?

If Milbury was still GM and offered him 8 mill plus, I'd take the 4 1sts and run. Otherwise I think the match is a given.

or it could be a KHL team, which wouldn't have to offer any compensation...

 

[EspenK]

or it could be a KHL team, which wouldn't have to offer any compensation...

true dat.

 

[EspenK]

Honestly I don't know where you are going with this, however if someone were to offer him a 6 year 36 million dollar deal I, personally, would thank him for his service and look elsewhere.

I have no idea what JK would do, but my hope would be he'd think hard even about a 6 year 30 million deal. The dollars would have to come way down before I signed anything beyond 4 years and anything over 4.5 million would be in the 1 year variety.

Now if someone offered him 3 years @ 14 million, I would have to match.

I hope that clears up what I would do and where I would start to think that JK might come off his statement.

My point was I think you have to consider only the incremental cost not the whole amount because unless you are paying 3.5 or better for a replacement we can start discussing top 5 picks for next year.

I do agree that term is a big part of the issue. I would have a harder time accepting more years than I would more dollars, within reason.

I also agree that basing this all on a 30 game stretch is a bit dicey. Mase was great for 30 games once as well.

As i have said before, Jarmo is in a tough spot.

 

[blahblah]

or it could be a KHL team, which wouldn't have to offer any compensation...

If his primary goal is money, we can't really compete with that nor should we try.

I'm not a GM, thankfully for everyone involved, but I wouldn't allow Russian players to use the KHL as a negotiating tool. That discussion would die day one into negotiations and every time it was brought up I would end discussions.

 

[blahblah]

My point was I think you have to consider only the incremental cost not the whole amount because unless you are paying 3.5 or better for a replacement we can start discussing top 5 picks for next year.

I do agree that term is a big part of the issue. I would have a harder time accepting more years than I would more dollars, within reason.

I also agree that basing this all on a 30 game stretch is a bit dicey. Mase was great for 30 games once as well.

As i have said before, Jarmo is in a tough spot.

Honestly, I don't see your point. Jarmo, beyond Bob skipping town, is in fine. The moment you start worrying about what happens to the team if you don't make a deal you turn over control of the negotiations, you are basing your decisions off emotions, and you make bad moves.

The discussion going in is that they want to win championships, the think he can be part of it, they want him to be part of it. However, it is a team sport and while they want to pay him fairly, they will not compromise the ability to add to the roster because of a bloated contract based on the performance of 30 games.

Basically you state if you want money, you don't get term. If you want stability, you don't get the money. If you want both, you need to perform for more than 30 games.

My recommendation for Bob is a one year deal if he wants anything more than maybe 3 million per. Beyond that he has the right to negotiate with other teams.

 

[db2011]

Slava Malamud ‏@SlavaMalamud 31m

Some totally expected news. SKA Saint Petersburg are after Sergei Bobrovsky, who played there during the lockout. Big money on table #CBJ

@dchesnokov It looks like #KHL's SKA is set to make an offer to #CBJ Bobrovsky. Bob wants to be in the NHL, but SKA's money is good.

Dmitry Chesnokov ‏@dchesnokov 32m

One more note on Bobrovsky. He played for SKA during the lockout. The current national team coach may coach SKA after the Olympics.

c'mon Tyoots, earn your contract, go get in Bob's ear!