Bobby Clarke Slams Goodenow on Behalf of Small-Market Canadian Teams

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  1. Devils Advocate

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    another one of those classic goodenow responses

    "shadup, you dont know what you are talking about, Go blame Gary, we are"
     
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    this is up there with his roger nielson rant.

    "hey, we never asked him to get cancer".

    he should seriously look in the mirrow and look at the damage he did with his chris gratton RFA offer.
     
  4. monkey_00*

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    Buddhaful.................

    Thanks for the link...........once again Bobby Clarke doesn't know what the hell he is talking about.........as far as I'm concerned the longer the players stay locked the better it will be for Cities in Canada like Hamilton, Winnipeg and Quebec City.......I can see 2 or more NHL clubs from the States making a move up North here to Canada if the lockout goes well into next winter.....there'll be a few NHL clubs in the States thinking about relocation into Canada.
     
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    it will be awesome to have nhl teams back in hamilton, winnipeg and quebec city.

    nhl hockey in places where kids grow up playing and loving the game will only make the league stronger.
     
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    I wish Bobby Clarke would slam me. My credibility could use a lift too. :hyper:
     
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    this post is priceless !!!


    :handclap: :handclap: :handclap:

    i wish i would've come up with it, as it would make an awesome sig !!!
     
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    Always enjoy Goodenows well reasoned responses.

    Goodenow responded by saying Clarke had no idea what he was talking about.

    "If Bob had been present in these negotiations, as he was in the past, he would have some understanding of the actual issues involved," the executive director of the NHL Players' Association told The Canadian Press in an e-mail. "I encourage him to attend in the future...


    So.... using Goodenows logic.... more than half of the NHLPA membership has no understanding of the actual issues because they haven't been present in the negotiations.
    I guess that explains why so many of the players think there will be a better deal as time goes on. :amazed:
     
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    Thanks. All yours if you want it.
     
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    Well Clarke and his fellow NHL executives have long been free to engage in revenue sharing. To the detriment of the small market teams they chose not to. Clarke took every opportunity he could to steal stars from small market teams. He also pushed up payrolls beyond what was reasonable for those teams.

    Clarke wasn't worried about small market teams before. When did he get religion?
     
  11. Wetcoaster

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    This is the bozo who still defends Alan Eagleson. He has never forgiven Goodenow for helping nail his buddy "Good Old Al the Owners' Pal" by helping Andy Moog get documents out of the NHLPA offices.

    While Clarke was Eagleson's handpicked President of the NHLPA according to Tim Daly the FBI agent in charge of the Eagleson investigation, Clarkie was receiving a secret annuity from The Flyers in the amount of $250,000 which was never disclosed to his fellow NHLPA members. Clarkie is just another dishonest and unethical scrote like Eagleson.
    http://www.eagletribune.com/news/stories/19980705/SP_001.htm
    Clarkie has a lot of credibility with the NHLPA :roll:
     
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    I should have originally clarified this was by no means an endorsement for Bobby Clarke, who I believe is quite an idiot. Just thought it would make for 'fun' discussion.

    The main thing I took from this article was Goodenow's response, which continues his track record of making himself look like a childish arse.

    Goodenow>>Clarke (greater idiot that is).
     
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    Agreed. Goodenow is ridiculously disingenuous when he says things like: "Gary Bettman and his owners group have been firmly in control. They have made every decision about expansion, franchise moves, playing rules, officiating, and marketing, while rejecting all input from players."

    Bettman may indeed have rejected its opinions had the NHLPA offered any, but I have absolutely no memory of the NHLPA crying out against league expansion and more jobs; or against teams moving from smaller Canadian markets to bigger, more lucrative US markets. And I'm fairly certain the NHLPA moved strongly to block the league's attempts to limit the size of goalie pads.

    Yeah, Bob, DAMN those league offices!!!! If only they'd listen to the NHLPA, everything would be fine!!!!!
     
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    Sure ... and while you're at it, how about NHL teams in Moose Jaw, Saskatoon and Thunder Bay?
    Those cities you name have already proven they cannot sustain NHL franchises. What's changed? Whether people want to admit it or not, it takes more than fan support for an NHL franchise to succeed. It takes a large population, a significant media market and, most importantly, it takes a notable corporate presence to buy all those skyboxes and $300 seats down by the glass and sponsor the team.
     
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    Not to mention that Bobby had a hall-of-fame career as a player and has been an NHL GM for over a decade now. I think it's safe to say that Bobby Clarke has "some understanding of the actual issues" involved here.
     
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    Clarke is a GM, NOT an owner. He executes player transactions based on what the team's (supposed) needs are. Snider is the one that pushes the cash flow in Philly. As much as I enjoy watching Clarke spin webs of self-deceit, I have to give more credit to Snider for helping the salaries skyrocket.
     
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    Montreal, Vancouver, Toronto, and Ottawa are doing mighty fine with the way things are. They compete with the big markets and all have consistantly made the playoffs the last few years. It's just that itch named Alberta we can't get rid of...
     
  18. monkey_00*

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    Racki...............

    Humour me some more why don't you?............How about going over to the thread titled "Relocation" there you will see my posts regarding Hamilton's credibility as an NHL hockey market.........don't really feel like posting and repeating EVERYTHING on this thread.......Thunder Bay and Moose Jaw?.........ya ok........Hamilton is situated right smack in the Center of Southern Ontario; the most populated geographical area in all of Canada.........6.5-million within 1-hour radius of Hamilton....just under 2-million if you exclude Toronto and Western New York.........we also have strong corporate presence in Hamilton and Southern Ontario thank you very much.........................

    ..........................next time do your homework before making a post like the one you just did. :D
     
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    Problem is he is somewhat resposible for those problems.

    Ie chriss gratton, Roenick, leclair, lindros can all be laid at his door step in the escalation of salaries.
     
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    Vancouver operated on a $38 million dollar budget which is within the range the NHL wants so of course they were fine. Melnyk has been one of the owners crying lowdest in all of this and MTL would like to see the cap range lower as well.

    The NHl is by no mean scratching the Alberta itch as you put it. The NHL is trying to get a cost structure that works across the whole league of which alberta teams are just small part of it.

    To state that this is an "alberta thing" shows you knowledge of what is really going on!
     
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    Still bitter huh?
     
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    It's no more about population like it used to & even with a 1-side owner CBA won't change that.

    Ask yourself this :

    1- Do you have the support of over 100 companies willing to pay 100,000$ to 250,000$ for LUXURY BOXES ?

    Hamilton ? don't think so
    Winnipeg ? don't think so
    Quebec ? nice city but don't so

    2- Do you have the support of over 10,000 fans WILLING to pay 100$+ for the best tickets in town ?

    Hamilton ? IF the AHL tickets is not a sold-out , how can you expect to get 10,000 fans @ 100$ piece ?

    Winnipeg ? Same thing.

    Québec ? When the Nordiques was there the best ticket was 45-50$ bucks ! Now they are around 100-150$ ! Sorry next !

    3- Do you have the support of the town & the government to get a super ARENA ?

    Hamilton & Quebec ? Sorry we're not in the U.S ! No one will give money & tax exemption for a hockey team with the perception that it's all for ''cry baby millionaires'' & ''multi-billionnaires owners''

    Winnipeg got their new ARENA & I don't know how many LUXURY BOXES they have inside.


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    I'm sorry but bottom line is that Nashville, Columbus, Atlanta got better markets today even if they have LESS ''DIE HARD'' fans today.

    People need to give them TIME !!! St-Louis sure was not a ''HOCKEY MARKET'' in 1969 when they got their franchise. It's not 5-6 years of attendance that you can project if a market is suitable for hockey !
     
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    Vancouver hasn't had a 38 million dollar budget in a few years, this year our salaries were set to be 49 million.
     
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    Montreal has been struggling since the mid 90's to win consistently.

    Vancouver operates in the middle of the pack financially and has done a great job of acquiring great talent, but under the former system when that talent could sell itself on the open market they would either have to increase their team salary, or make some tough decisions on players.

    Toronto has a ton of cash behind it... so they are a non-issue.

    Ottawa almost went bankrupt.

    Calgary and Edmonton are on constant franchise-move watch.

    yeah... the Canadian markets are doing great...
     
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    moot point when the owners wrote this year off as a non-issue prior to it ever getting off the ground. if you don't think the check is going to go through, it's easy to say you'll pay it.
     
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