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hamzarocks
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No way Murray has that much value.
Dunn is 3 years younger and has top pairing potential himself. Your also giving a guaranteed 2nd and 1st if murray signs back(which I'm presuming becomes a 2nd if he doesn't). Dunn + the 2 picks is too much to give for murray who is way to unreliable with his injuries.
On top of that your trading a great back up goalie(though pricey) to a team that does not need goaltending. Jackets would not want Allen better to trade him to a team with goaltending concerns.
Bozak should still be serviceable 3rd liner. Blues should not include him as a dump think he can still be traded for some picks by himself
Dunn is 3 years younger and has top pairing potential himself. Your also giving a guaranteed 2nd and 1st if murray signs back(which I'm presuming becomes a 2nd if he doesn't). Dunn + the 2 picks is too much to give for murray who is way to unreliable with his injuries.
On top of that your trading a great back up goalie(though pricey) to a team that does not need goaltending. Jackets would not want Allen better to trade him to a team with goaltending concerns.
Bozak should still be serviceable 3rd liner. Blues should not include him as a dump think he can still be traded for some picks by himself
There's this thing called the salary cap.
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BlueBaron
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I see what the OP is trying to do but that package aint happening. I do think he has identified some of the players that have to go to keep Petro.
Basically Bozak and Allen have to move. 5mil+4.35mil = 9.35.
If I lost Petro because I had to keep those two I'd shoot myself. Dunn as a bribe to take one of them is an idea. I'd suggest Dunn+Allen for a cheap backup and Bozak and picks to be rid of him or some variation of those parts.
This does seem like an easy fix for Armstrong. Thank god both guys are still serviceable players if a little overpaid.
Basically Bozak and Allen have to move. 5mil+4.35mil = 9.35.
If I lost Petro because I had to keep those two I'd shoot myself. Dunn as a bribe to take one of them is an idea. I'd suggest Dunn+Allen for a cheap backup and Bozak and picks to be rid of him or some variation of those parts.
This does seem like an easy fix for Armstrong. Thank god both guys are still serviceable players if a little overpaid.
Habs would take Dunn and Allen for one of our 2nd round pick and Lindgren
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BlueBaron
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It might? He's coming off 27 points in 66 games, 38 in 72 the season before that. It's not a good look. I am wary of using the term negative value because it usually proves false but he is not that attractive a contract. It is only 1 more year at 5 mil so a team really weak at C might bite, not many on HF will give anything up for him though
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So why wouldn't CBJ offer Hall 9m instead and keep Murray?
At least if you are trading Allen show the effort to a team that could actually play Allen and not be the 3g.
Xoggz22
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Columbus has neither the roster space, nor the need for Allen. We need the Cap space for our own RFAs upcoming. I don't think they would mind moving Murray but not for that.
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I wouldn't to be honest. In my opinion Dunn is worth a 1st + 'something'. The something part depends on the pick. Allen isn't worth a lot, but I don't think he has negative value: probably in the range of a 4th-5th. At worst we give Allen away for free.
I see your point. Perhaps I am just in desperation mode concerning Pietrangelo. I am at the point where it is "whatever it takes". I love Dunn, but if it means giving him up to keep our Captain, I would do it. If a sweetener has to be involved to ship out Allen, (and I acknowledge your point that it may not be necessary), how about Perunovich instead of Dunn?
Deal.
The cap dump can be either Allen, Steen or Bozak. Up to St-Louis to decide but Dunn has to be included
Dunn has to be included
Beauterham
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I'm not that desperate. In my opinion the Faulk and new Scandella contract can mean 2 things: either Army thinks Petro will not sign or he has a plan and probably knows more than we do. Maybe Steen wants to retire? We know multiple teams have inquired about Allen last summer. Maybe one of Gunnarsson or Bortuzzo will be traded. Maybe something around Jaden Schwartz (although I would be sceptical about that)? Maybe there will be a compliance buy-out?
Army has pulled a rabbit out of his hat before, I expect he has a good idea how to work this all out. I don't feel we have to pay any ransom. In worst case we retain a bit.
I know you're not as high on Perunovich as some others are. Mikkola has a higher floor but Perunovich ceiling is the highest of all Blues prospects and isn't someone we should trade. Staying a contender is all about managing contracts, we need good young players on cheap-ish contracts (especially if they're not expansion-draft eligible) to balance the more expensive contracts. Trading Perunovich would be a big mistake.
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How about no cap dump at all? As I said I think Dunn's value is a 1st round pick + 'something'. That 'something' could be a decent prospect (not named Romanov, I know you're not going to do that ;-) ) or an additional pick to level things out, a 2020 2nd maybe? I prefer not to add a rosterplayer as every penny counts towards the cap.
I know you're not going to give up a top-10 pick in 2020, but we could do something around your 2021 first round pick. It's a bit of a gamble, but if all goes well for you guys (team still in development) that pick will land somewhere in the 15-20 range.
If you prefer it that way, we can do 2021 top 10 protected and we give you back your second round pick in 2020 on top of it.
I have no issues doing that deal.
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Make it your second 2020 2nd-round pick and I'm okay with it.
So if Army decides to trade Dunn:
- 2021 1st round pick (top 10 protected)
- 2020 2nd round pick (second 2nd round Habs pick)
The Jones Zone
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Columbus has Korpi and Elvis, they are not in the market for a good goaltender, let alone this f***ing hack
Columbus has Korpi and Elvis, they are not in the market for a good goaltender, let alone this f***ing hack
It doesn’t sound like Pietrangelo wants to leave
“Army (Blues GM Doug Armstrong) said the same thing at the beginning, our goal is to try and get something done here,” Pietrangelo said. “That’s been the goal from the beginning. We’ve both said the same thing. That’s both of our mindsets.’’
